Linux-Misc Digest #16, Volume #28 Sun, 3 Jun 01 15:13:02 EDT
Contents:
/dev on vfat partition (Agent Smiths)
msword.doc under Linux (Erik Veenstra)
Setiathome (Thomas Fink)
Re: I need a really small distro for an old puter (William Burrow)
Re: 2GB File size limitation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Setiathome (Skylar Thompson)
Re: Setiathome (Bora Ugurlu)
Re: Mozilla a memory hog ("bowman")
Re: gcc version in RH 7.0, 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 ("bowman")
Re: path environment (Yvan Loranger)
Re: gcc version in RH 7.0, 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 ("Olav Fossgaard")
Re: how to connect to internet in non-X ("NG_lurker")
Re: sshd - slow initializing connection (inetquestion)
Getting the Philips Vesta pro integrated microphone functionning (Nicotine)
Re: I need a really small distro for an old puter ("Missy")
Re: I need a really small distro for an old puter ("Missy")
Modem options? (Robert)
Re: lilo.conf used from where? (John in SD)
Re: Waah! Can't get KDE2 working! (Raviprasad)
java on RH7.1 (uzon)
Re: /dev on vfat partition (Dances With Crows)
Need some help with permissions/umask (Chris Gentle)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Agent Smiths)
Subject: /dev on vfat partition
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 16:34:49 GMT
Just tried to move linux from ext2 to vfat partition. I
solved problems with vfat driver with initrd. But damn linux
tries to open initial console (|initctl, i think) before
executing init. But I cannot store /dev in vfat nor can I
mount it from file (cos init wasn't executed yet). Now I
don't see init's messages and don't know why I don't get
login.
I think there is some info on inet, but cannot find it.
There is umsdos, but it uses its own long names instead of
vfat's. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:08:43 +0200
From: Erik Veenstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: msword.doc under Linux
I've made this awk-script for reading msword.doc's. (The things
you get from people who don't get it...)
It's all about readability, not perfection.
gegroet,
Erik V.
_______________
awk '
BEGIN {
RS="[^[:print:]\t]"
}
/^mH$/ {NoMore++} # There seems to
# be no usefull
# text after
# this line.
NoMore > 0 {next}
NF == 0 {next}
NF == 1 && length($1) == 1 {next}
match($0, /[:alnum:]/) == 0 {next}
{print | "less"}
' msword.doc
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From: Thomas Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Setiathome
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 13:51:38 GMT
Newbie needs help!
I need help installing Setiathome using Redhat 7.1 This is what I've done.
cp setiathome-3.03.i686-pc-linux-gnu-gnulibc2.1.tar to usr/local/src. Next
I changed to root and typed, tar xvf filename.tar. Then, using the comand
line I typed xsetiathome and nothing happens.
I would appreciate any assistance.
Thank you,
Tom
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: I need a really small distro for an old puter
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 13:56:30 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 01:53:52 GMT in comp.os.linux.misc,
Missy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a PS/2 56 or 57 made in 1992 with OS/2 currently on it. I know
>nothing about OS/2, nor really want it. I got this puter to put Linux on and
>tinker with it without destroying my parents puter. lol Does anyone have
>suggestions of what distro to put on it? It has a 216MB hard drive and 8MB
>of RAM, a floppy drive, and a 'cd-rom reader with a caddy' that I've yet to
>install. Thanks!
Hmm, my memory is lousy, but weren't the 50 series PS/2s 286s? Or is
this a 386sx-16? Maybe IBM's site will confirm, but just popping a
single diskette distro such as Tom's RootBoot or the Linux Router
Project into the drive will tell you quickly.
Because you likely have an ESDI drive what is kinda hard to replace
today, using a CD live filesystem distro (saw a recent one somewhere,
freshmeat.net perhaps?) would save disk space for /home and toys. If
you have a driver for the CD, that is.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 2001 William Burrow ~ /\
I'd rather listen to Isaac Newton, also. ~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2GB File size limitation
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:23:46 GMT
Dave Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Aniartia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9f9uv5$sd7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > My advice: just don't. Why do you need big files, anyway?
>>
>> An audio enginer that uses a lot of computerised equipment.
>> 2Gb = ~7:17 min of 32 channel audio
>> So when recording say a 2 hour session I expect to eat the greater part of
>> a 40Gb hard drive.
>>
>> Ani
> Use BeOS instead for audio production. It was designed with audio
> engineering in mind (among other multimedia uses)
> Try it, You'll like it. www.beos.com www.bebits.com
Sure, use it if you want to use an OS that has nearly been completely abandoned
by it's developers...
Adam
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From: Skylar Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Setiathome
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 09:15:05 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thomas Fink wrote:
>
> Newbie needs help!
> I need help installing Setiathome using Redhat 7.1 This is what I've done.
> cp setiathome-3.03.i686-pc-linux-gnu-gnulibc2.1.tar to usr/local/src. Next
> I changed to root and typed, tar xvf filename.tar. Then, using the comand
> line I typed xsetiathome and nothing happens.
> I would appreciate any assistance.
Is it creating and extracting to a sub-directory? Also, I believe you have to
run it ./xsetiathome to get the right path. Finally, run ps aux|grep -i seti
as root to check to see if it is running but without the start-up screen.
--
--Skylar Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
`All that is gold does not glitter/Not all those who wander are lost
The old that is strong does not wither/Deep roots are not reached by the frost
>From the ashes a fire shall be woken/A light from the shadows shall spring
Renewed shall be blade that was broken/The crownless again shall be king.'
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From: Bora Ugurlu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Setiathome
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 17:08:52 +0200
Am Sun, 03 Jun 2001 09:15:05 -0500, Skylar Thompson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
The actual program that calculates is the setiathome. So, it should be
run first. If you would like to have visuals like in Windows, then run
xsetiathome thereafter. But, in order to have setiathome produce
graphical data (for the graph) , setiathome must be run with the
-graphics option. That is:
setiathome -graphics (enter)
then
xsetiathome&
>Thomas Fink wrote:
>>
>> Newbie needs help!
>> I need help installing Setiathome using Redhat 7.1 This is what I've done.
>> cp setiathome-3.03.i686-pc-linux-gnu-gnulibc2.1.tar to usr/local/src. Next
>> I changed to root and typed, tar xvf filename.tar. Then, using the comand
>> line I typed xsetiathome and nothing happens.
>> I would appreciate any assistance.
>
>Is it creating and extracting to a sub-directory? Also, I believe you have to
>run it ./xsetiathome to get the right path. Finally, run ps aux|grep -i seti
>as root to check to see if it is running but without the start-up screen.
Bora Ugurlu
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Mostly Harmless.."
HHGG
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From: "bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mozilla a memory hog
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:33:40 -0600
"Markku Kolkka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> No, threads share the same memory space so the total usage is 20 MB.
perhaps, but it still is an utter sloth compared to NS4. it is unfortunate
that the base performance of mozilla compromises the apps built on it such
as Nautilus and Komodo.
there is something really wrong under the hood, but i don't believe it is
the threading.
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From: "bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gcc version in RH 7.0, 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:38:40 -0600
"Dave Uhring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Don't try to replace gcc-2.96 with gcc-2.95.3, you'll regret it.
I can't swear to 2.96 => 2.95.3, but I used the prerelease gcc on the
Mandrake 7.1 distro to build 2.95.2 with no problems.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
Subject: Re: path environment
Date: 3 Jun 2001 15:44:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
faeychyld ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Chiefy wrote:
>> 02 Jun 2001 04:09 UTC, faeychyld did say to the dudes:
>> > Where is the complete path environment
>> > kept in RH.
>> > What you get with "echo $PATH" is more
>> > than is found in /etc/profile.
>>
>> Check you home directory.
>> On this Debian box, ~/.bash_profile has extra PATH definitions.
>
> Not on redhat, ~/bash_profile contains
> # User specific environment and startup programs
> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc
> USERNAME=""
>
> and that is as close as it comes to a path statement
> The actual path statement from "echo $PATH" looks like
> /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/nykysle/bin
>
> notice there is no "/sbin" and there used to be.
prolly when you were logged in as root [see /etc/profile?].
--
Merci........Yvan Pour le plein air: Club Vertige
http://www.ncf.ca/vertige
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From: "Olav Fossgaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gcc version in RH 7.0, 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 18:27:19 +0200
"Timur Aydin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Why doesn't RH 7.0 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 use stable and released versions
> of the gcc compiler (2.95.3 currently) and instead use a development
> snapshot 2.96?
>
> Is it possible to use gcc 2.95.3 on these platforms? Two issues come to
> mind:
>
> - Can (or should) gcc 2.95.3 be built using 2.96 ?
>
> - There are many programs that depend on libstdc++ 2.96. How would you
> replace this with libstdc++ 2.95.3?
Yes, you can build gcc-2.95 using 2.96. Download the source from
gcc.gnu.org and compile it somewhere, e.g. /usr/local/gcc-2.95.3. The new
versions of the different compilers now reside in
/usr/local/gcc-2.95.3/bin. Leave the 2.96 version as it is, or you will
most likely get dependency problems.
Olav
--
"They're only trying to make me LOOK paranoid!"
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From: "NG_lurker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to connect to internet in non-X
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:34:16 +0300
Reply-To: "NG_lurker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
hi wise ones,
"Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:59aS6.59313$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Kind of blurry? Sounds like the refresh rate since you do get Gnome and
> KDE.
> I have an Acer 76e, dark as hell, but in my Linux Xconfigurator I can use
> custom setup for the monitor. Before you set the X-window rate check
your
> monitor's user settings (P3) on my monitor. Then try setting the refresh
> rate 50-70 or 50-90 for customized monitor in Linux.
blurry and windows splatter all over the screen! my monitor is also Acer
but 77e. looks like a pattern to me Acer is not Linux-friendly? anyway let
me try this tip.
> And I thought you were in India. You're running 7.0 correct? I'm running
> 6.2 and either one is a good release. The rpm -Freshen is like
> reinstallation of a package from the CD if the package is on your system.
> There is a program "gnorpm" which is the graphical frontend for package
> installer for Gnome. Can't remember the KDE version but as root you can
> start gnorpm from an xterm session in KDE.
> Worse case if you don't have much setup in Linux you can do a complete
> re-installation.
yeah mine is RH7. last nite i did CD to my installation CD and run rpm -Fvh
X* in the Redhat directory. nothing happened. there should be something
visual happening, right? same like a progress bar or something? by the looks
of it, i prefer now KDE over Gnome for it is well-behaved than Gnome.
Whatever is workin is where i go. I remember i choose all package when
i installed RH7. I can re-install it again but if i can get this right, much
better for me, yeah?
> He's saying that the S3_Savage4 is better supported in XFree86 version
>4.0.3
> and you would need to down load XFree86 4.0.2 and the XFree86 4.0.3 as a
> XFree*.tar.gz from the www.xfree86.org website to your Linux box. Then
>do
> a bunch of gzip -decompress X*, tar -untar X*, makefile configur X*,
> makefile, makefile install X* since Redhat only has XFree86 4.0.1.
this one i get clearly. my problem is when i download the tarballs they will
go to my windows partition. finding them from linux will be a journey for
me, u know what i mean? what should the command be, mount/unmount? still i
will locate these tarball in the net and post again in the NG.
> Before you set the X-window rate check your monitor's user settings (P3)
>on
> my monitor. Compare that to the Acer manual's recommendation or the
> settings under Windows. Then try setting the refresh rate 50-70 or 50-90
> as a customized monitor in Linux. You could edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config
> file and change the VertRefresh 50-90 or HorizSynch 31.5 but I think
> Xconfigurator is safer. Pick a safe mode 8-bit 800x600.
let me try this setting in Xconfigurator. P3?
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From: inetquestion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: sshd - slow initializing connection
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 11:44:05 -0400
Yeah, I did notice that is just the first connection which appears to
be slow. I know sshd has to generate a key the first time it runs,
so do you think this could be the slowdown problem I'm experiencing?
On 02 Jun 2001 08:20:19 -0700, Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bit Twister) writes:
>
>> >Can anyone one offer an performance tuning to sshd or maybe
>> >some other areas I should look into.
>>
>> what might be happing is it is taking a while to resolve node names.
>> Between my two boxes I have each other's box names and ip addresses in
>> each box's /etc/hosts file and I have DNS search local host first by
>> having localhost before my isp's domain in /etc/resolv.conf. Example:
>
>I've noticed something similar too, but only on the first connection
>with a specific host. Trying Bit Twisters solution here, but will
>need to wait for a reboot to see if it makes any difference since I've
>already ssh'd to all local machines during this uptime.
>
>I did't try this yet, either but you could try `ssh -v' on first
>connection (verbose output) and then compare it to subsequent
>connections. Or are you seeing sloth regardless if its first connect
>or not?
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From: Nicotine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Getting the Philips Vesta pro integrated microphone functionning
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 19:10:54 +0200
Hi,
Does anyone got the microphone for Philips Vesta pro Webcam working
and how ?
I loaded both the pwc and audio module on a MDK8 with kernel 2.4.4-6.
The video works very well but not the microphone. :-((
A external microphone plugged in my SB Live value soundcard is
functionning perfectly well on /dev/dsp. I tried /dev/dsp1 for the
integrated microphone but with no result. I also created /dev/dsp2, 3
and 4 but they do not work either...
On /dev/dsp2 I have the following error message : ioctl set dupleix :
Inappropriate ioctl for device...
Nicotine
---
Enfin j'y suis, je persevere !
Tant mieux, un jour tu deviendras grand, mon petit !
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From: "Missy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: I need a really small distro for an old puter
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 17:14:35 GMT
I think it's either a 386 or 486, and it has a SCSI hard drive. I'm thinking
of upgrading it to a 512MB drive just b/c it gives me a little more room
plus it only costs $15 anyways...I've been given plenty of distros to look
at....Several people have mentioned Debian to me, but I'm a little leery of
trying b/c I'm still sort of a newbie to Linux. What exactly do you need to
know to use Debian (if that isn't too big of a question lol)? Thanks for all
the help!
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From: "Missy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: I need a really small distro for an old puter
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 17:28:59 GMT
Has anyone tried 'Grey Cat Linux'? If so, is it any good?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert)
Subject: Modem options?
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 17:38:09 GMT
I'm running RH 7.0 on a laptop that dual boots with Win 98. Of
course, the laptop has the infamous winmodem (Actiontec 56k) that is
unsupported. As a side note, I'm about to have DSL installed.
Any recommendations regarding this modem situation so that I can get
online with linux? Replacement suggestions?
Thanks a bunch,
Robert
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From: John in SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lilo.conf used from where?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 17:53:42 GMT
There are 'man' pages for both 'lilo' and 'lilo.conf'.
On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 05:16:17 GMT, "Tom Edelbrok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have Redhat 6.0 on a PII-233. It works fine.
>
>But it has no lilo.conf anywhere. I use a floppy to boot.
>
>So if I am upgrading the kernel and want to be able to choose the kernel
>when booting then where do I edit (or create) lilo.conf?
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
LILO version 21.7 (24-Feb-2001) source at
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/boot/lilo
patches to -2 at ftp://brun.dyndns.org/pub/linux/lilo
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From: Raviprasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Waah! Can't get KDE2 working!
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 18:30:07 -0000
thankyou, i did just as you said and yo! KDE worked! it looks real
cooool. its a major change over v1.x. it was worth all the trouble
afterall!
(i was actually typing startkde at console to get it up. didn't work then.)
thanks again
cheerio
ravi
Ransom wrote:
>
> On Saturday 02 June 2001 21:30 Raviprasad wrote:
>
> > help!
> > i installed Kde2.0 on my RedHat 7.0 but everytime i try to start kde
> > it dies with the following error;
> > xsetroot: unable to open display''
> > xset: unable to open dispaly''' '
> > ksplash: cannot connect to X server
> > Error: Kunique application : can't determine Display. Aborting.
> > ksmserver: Cannot connect to X server
> >
>
> [-]
>
> How do you start kde? The usual way would be to create .xinitrc in your
> home dir containing a line like 'exec $KDEDIR/bin/startkde'. $KDEDIR
> must be set to the root of your kde installation, e.g /opt/kde or
> /usr/local/. Make sure that you set $QTDIR as well. Now run 'startx'
> and you should be ok.
>
> HTH,
>
> Ransom
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (uzon)
Subject: java on RH7.1
Date: 3 Jun 2001 11:43:20 -0700
hey,
i tried to install java on redhat 7.1 and i when i run it, nothing happens.
i dont get error messages or exit back to the prompt. it just freezes (until i pres
CTRL-C).
i updated the PATH so that's probably not the reason.
does anyone know what could be causing this?
(someone mentioned that i need to set the classpath. is that true? and how would i do
that?)
thanx,
~UzOn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: /dev on vfat partition
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 03 Jun 2001 18:53:09 GMT
On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 16:34:49 GMT, Agent Smiths staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
>Just tried to move linux from ext2 to vfat partition.
??! You can't do that. As you've found out, FAT filesystems lack a
number of things that Unix-like systems need, including file
permissions, device nodes, and links.
>I solved problems with vfat driver with initrd. But damn linux tries to
>open initial console (|initctl, i think) before executing init. But I
>cannot store /dev in vfat nor can I mount it from file (cos init wasn't
>executed yet). Now I don't see init's messages and don't know why I
>don't get login.
At least two reasons I can think of: There is no way to create a device
node on a FAT filesystem, so no initial console. There is no way to set
permissions on a FAT filesystem, so /bin/login cannot be owned by root
and SUID (and that program must be owned by root and SUID!)
>I think there is some info on inet, but cannot find it. There is
>umsdos, but it uses its own long names instead of vfat's. Thanks in
>advance for any help.
What exactly are you trying to do here? Are you trying to do a
"partitionless" Linux installation on top of Lose9x? If so, you're
going about it the wrong way. In order to do that, you need to make a
very large file in the Lose9x partition, make an ext2 filesystem within
that file, and have the kernel mount that filesystem on / via the
loopback device. Mandrake and PhatLinux can do this sort of thing.
It's really not recommended because mounting / via loopback is slow.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best
http://www.brainbench.com / friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark
=============================/ to read. ==Groucho Marx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Gentle)
Subject: Need some help with permissions/umask
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 18:55:25 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I ran into something a few days ago that I haven't been able to figure out
yet. My home Linux PC has two users, my wife and myself. I wanted to
mount a separate hard drive and use it as sort of a common area where each
of us could read/write files (pictures, documents, etc.) I would like for
files in our home account to be writable only by the user (umask 022) while
files in the common area are writable by the group (umask 002). Can I do
this without having to manually set the umask?
When mounting a VFAT filesystem you can specify the umask for files created
within that filesystem. It doesn't look like you can do this with ext2
which is what I'm using.
Any ideas? Thanks!
--
Chris
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