Linux-Misc Digest #79, Volume #26 Thu, 19 Oct 00 10:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Help: Can Dial in to PPP server, can't get out of it (Erik)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? ("MH")
Re: Need Sound Advice, please. (Martin McCormick)
Re: Only user "root" and "mysql" can connect to mysql? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (mlw)
Problems w/ LIRC and Irman (marvin greenberg)
Anyone try booting from compact-flash-pccard? (fledermaus)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Roger Blake)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Harry Lewis)
Re: What is a good graphical mail client? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Harry Lewis)
Re: WebCam and software (Tony Lawrence)
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From: Erik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Help: Can Dial in to PPP server, can't get out of it
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:12:10 -0600
Hello-
I'm setting up a RH6.1 "dialin server" using mgetty and pppd. I can dial
in with Windows clients and get things going. However, I am unable to
get out of the server to any other machine on the server's network. I
cannot resolve host names nor get out to any known IPs. The dialin
server runs apache and the client box can connect to that web using the
server's IP (but not hostname.)
/etc/ppp/options has the following line:
ms-dns xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
This network is a frame relay and has a specific gateway at each segment
(between me and the dns') but I cannot see what needs doing.
Any ideas of what to try?
Thanks,
Erik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (please email)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:07:57 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
>>I agree with what you say, but my point is that, these days, using a
>>computer for word processing is all about content management. A good
>>word processor will provide you with better facilities for this than a
>>program that evolved from a typesetting tool.
>
> Actually, that sounds backwards. Better content management should
> be achieved by tools that segregate content from formatting. Tools
> like Latex do this more cleanly and produce more easily parsable
> output.
how would latex help with content management. i would assume for that
you would use sgml or xml
hs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:18:51 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
>>>Like it or not, the standard is Office. Spreading lies and FUD does not help
>>>Linux's cause. If you had said simply that "SO can open many standard office
>>
>>this statement coming from an ms junkie must be the usenet joke of the
>>year
>
>No, he's right; the standard *is* Office. Witness:
i didn't argue about that. my objection was to the use of the term
FUD. as far as i could see most of this thread is about tex vs
wysiwyg, what to use if you have to deal with word documents on linux
(probably also other unixy systems). i really didn't see any fud
> ...
hs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:21:09 -0400
In article <8sk66f$qfb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sean Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>jazz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> ...
>: Unfortunately the world uses Word, and since I coauthor papers, I have to
>: use it or something compatible.
>
>: Thanks
>: Jim
>
>
>Which journal doesn't accept Latex files then?
apparently his coauthors use word
hs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:23:59 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
SCHeckler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
>So send them a PDF instead. The PDF will be much smaller anyway:
for editing?
> ps2pdf myfile.ps
>will do the trick.
hs
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:39:09 -0400
This is FUD
"SO 5.2, OTOH is as good as MS office in that it doesn't crash like MS
office, and it
does not take down the OS like MS office."
Neither of the statements about MS office are backed up with factual data.
What is said is designed to make office sound like a completely unreliable
product that will take down your operating system. It invokes fear,
uncertainty and doubt about office.
"Hartmann Schaffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8sllmb$jn3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ...
> >>>Like it or not, the standard is Office. Spreading lies and FUD does not
help
> >>>Linux's cause. If you had said simply that "SO can open many standard
office
> >>
> >>this statement coming from an ms junkie must be the usenet joke of the
> >>year
> >
> >No, he's right; the standard *is* Office. Witness:
>
> i didn't argue about that. my objection was to the use of the term
> FUD. as far as i could see most of this thread is about tex vs
> wysiwyg, what to use if you have to deal with word documents on linux
> (probably also other unixy systems). i really didn't see any fud
>
> > ...
>
> hs
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Subject: Re: Need Sound Advice, please.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin McCormick)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:28:03 GMT
I will look for wavplay1.4, now. Many thanks to those who
answered. It turns out that I do have a wav player on the Linux
distribution disks I bought last year and it plays many .wav files,
but not all. The main thing I noticed was that the sound system does
respond to the correct ioctl and does produce sound at the proper
sample rate so the hardware is definitely up and running.
I have a collection of .wavs that I have gotten from several
sources and the player handles most of them flawlessly, but a few
files appear to be variants of the standard .wav format as they play
fine on DOS and Windows systems, but either exit immediately or cause
the player to misbehave by producing scratchy sound, hanging at the
end, or exiting without completely playing the sample file.
At least the same files always break the same way so there is
hope to figure out why.
Martin McCormick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Only user "root" and "mysql" can connect to mysql?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:55:12 GMT
Yes the use does have rights to the file.
mysql
In article <8smeie$fe7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (CDM) wrote:
> Userid got read rights on that file?
> What client are you using?
> Does this client have a configuration file?
> Does this client have an option to set the path to the mysql PID file?
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8slguq$srm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Only user "root" and "mysql" can connect to mysql?
> >
> > If I try to tryed under my id I get
> >
> > ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
> > '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111)
> >
> > If you know how to fix this please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of
my employer.
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:19:17 -0400
MH wrote:
>
> This is FUD
>
> "SO 5.2, OTOH is as good as MS office in that it doesn't crash like MS
> office, and it
> does not take down the OS like MS office."
Actually, it was a typo, it was supposed to read "OTOH is at least as
good as MS..."
And, it is not fud, not at all. Just search through the MS knowledge
base. You'll find a few.
>
> Neither of the statements about MS office are backed up with factual data.
No.
> What is said is designed to make office sound like a completely unreliable
> product that will take down your operating system.
It is.
> It invokes fear,
> uncertainty and doubt about office.
Well, technically perhaps. But FUD, to be fud, is usually groundless.
These statements are backed up with knowledge base entries and personal
experience. I have seen Excel crash NT by printing. Admittedly I would
say that it was a printer driver problem, but it was only in excel. And
why should printing be able to do that? Because the GUI is in kernel
space, and they use the GUI to print.
I have seen MS Word crash while doing an autosave. I have had my mother
call me and ask what she should do when the computer doesn't do anything
anymore. (she was using word). I have people at work losing work, at
least once a month, on MS office. (We look at a lot of foreign language
docs)
MS Office does crash, and it frequently does take down Windows. Every
regular user of MS office I know has experienced it at least once.
Let's not even get into OutLook (which is part of MSO)
My cousin's kids play games on the Windows box in their room, but do
school reports on the Linux box because the Windows box has crashed
twice in two years and they have lost work. To a conditioned Windows
user that does not sound bad, to a kid (and as it should be to everyone)
it is horrific.
MS Office is a widely used today because of MS monopolistic practices,
and the human quality of being able to be conditioned to accept anything
by repetition like a pavlovian dog. "Just reboot that will fix it."
When, in fact, rebooting fixes nothing, it simply cures the symptom of a
larger problem temporarily.
>
> "Hartmann Schaffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8sllmb$jn3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > ...
> > >>>Like it or not, the standard is Office. Spreading lies and FUD does not
> help
> > >>>Linux's cause. If you had said simply that "SO can open many standard
> office
> > >>
> > >>this statement coming from an ms junkie must be the usenet joke of the
> > >>year
> > >
> > >No, he's right; the standard *is* Office. Witness:
> >
> > i didn't argue about that. my objection was to the use of the term
> > FUD. as far as i could see most of this thread is about tex vs
> > wysiwyg, what to use if you have to deal with word documents on linux
> > (probably also other unixy systems). i really didn't see any fud
> >
> > > ...
> >
> > hs
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: marvin greenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problems w/ LIRC and Irman
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:51:47 -0400
I installed my new IRMan receiver, and try to record the signals from my TV
remote. But irrecord says somthing like "can't connect to /dev/lirc
(lircd running? --> stop it)" But it isn't running.
If I have a 'cat /dev/ttyS0' running at the same time, I see "IR" show up
on the serial port.
Anyone have experience debugging this? I did have to use a 25->9
converter to attach the IRMan to my serial port, so I am not 100% sure
everything is right on the H/w end. It seems that the fact that 'IR' shows up
indicates that I am at least talking to the FIFO.
Marvin
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From: fledermaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Oct 2000 09:50:06 EDT
Subject: Anyone try booting from compact-flash-pccard?
I tried doing this with OS/2 and failed. I'm not sure how to do this with
Linux. It is cheap and better, (for laptops), then trying to stuff
everything you want into a 1.44 MB floppy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Blake)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:51:43 GMT
On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:39:09 -0400, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>product that will take down your operating system. It invokes fear,
>uncertainty and doubt about office.
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt about Microsoft Office is completely
justified. I personally have seen the mere act of installing Office
trash Windows to the point where they are unusable, and seen Office
apps develop problems for which the Microsoft Knowledge Base will
tell you your recourse is to wipe out and re-install the operating system.
One of the problems with Office is that it screws around with Windows
internals when it installs. To insure some measure of reliability
there needs to be a solid wall between applications and the
operating system.
Not to mention dangerous nonsense like auto-execute macros -- a "feature"
which appears to have been developed primarily as a vector for document-borne
virii, and the many serious security problems in Outlook and Outlook
Express, etc. I frankly don't know why anyone chooses to use this
software; I simply can't imagine any feature set worth the risk.
--
Roger Blake
(remove second "g" and second "m" from address for email)
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From: Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:54:20 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> HL> BTW To me, the key features of WP packages are outlining, forming books
> HL> from documents, and flagging text as either in a TOC or Index. These are
> HL> content management features, which (I think) are the key to WP.
>
> Which is *exactly* what LaTeX does!
I've got to say I'm not 100% convinced (it still sounds to me like using
the wrong tool). However, if you find LaTeX works for you, then use it!
Some people like WYSIWYG HTML editors, but I go for Homesite, so who am
I to rubbish the "raw" approach?
Harry
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Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,linux.debian.www
Subject: Re: What is a good graphical mail client?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Oct 2000 09:58:11 -0400
NAVARRO LOPEZ, Jes�s Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >
> > "Tom Huckstep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Is there such a thing as a decent graphical mail program for Linux,
> > > which supports POP3 and SMTP? I have spent all day looking through
> > > dselect for such a thing.
> >
> > one problem is that under unix the mail is broken up into several
> > parts. basically there are three pieces
> >
> > 1) smtp client -- this program makes mail go out *from* your machine
> > 2) smtp server -- this listens on port 25 for incomming connexions.
> > it also places incomming mail on some local file(s) where other
> > programs can find them.
> > 3) mail user agent (MUA) -- this is your graphical mail program.
> >
> > the problem with unix is that often one program doesn't do all these
> > things (well netscape can but doesn't have to).
> >
>
> That's simply untrue. The splitting among MUAs and MTAs has nothing to
> do with unices but with a reasonable way to manage electronic mail.
sure, but in the windows world, most people don't set up an MTA. i am
not sure windows 9x has enough capability to run an MTA properly.
> 1/ it's perfectly possible to have a MTA/MUA single program (ie. you can
> just telnet 25 into sendmail).
> 2/ The history of e-mail with lots of different protocols and encoding
> content justified separating the server2server management from the user
> interaction: that's the MUAs age
> 3/ The MsPC boom with those toy-OSs forced another step in the process:
> who to give e-mailing capabilities for OSs unable to manage their own
> mail? Here comes POP.
on the other hand, look at news. at one time newsreaders depended
upon a local spool. now we have nntp. a good mailbox protocol would
help. what if you use multiple machines which don't share home
directories?
> 4/ Netscape (Netscape Communicator, I mean, since I *think* you meant it
> also) IS NOT a MTA. Full stop.
no, but netscape can talk to relaying smtp server belonging to the
isp. netscape can fetch from a pop3 server. thus you don't need to
setup your own MTA. gnus/emacs and iirc pine are in this group too.
> > in unix, a mail transport agent MTA like sendmail or qmail handles 1
> > and 2 (although they may well be seperate executables). the MTA is
> > hidden layer of daemons and typically doesn't directly interact with
> > users. you have to set up the MTA which can be a pain in the rear.
> >
>
> Yeah, but since it is a server to server process you can let that pain
> to your sysadmin.
but i think the guy asking the question *is* the sysadmin too. thus
the pain falls upon himself.
> > once you have the MTA set up, the choice of mail user agent -- your
> > graphical mail program -- is wider. all unix MUAs can read a unix
> > mailbox.
>
> No: your mail USER agent. Where is it told it has to be graphical?
well, the original question asked specifically for a graphical type
mail program. i did give some text type mail program suggestions
too.
> (and it's good news it has not to be so: who would I manage to convince
> my cron daemos to talk to a point-and-click program?).
but why can't the pointy-click program talk to the daemons?
> >
> > > Ashamed as I am to admit it, Outlook Express does nearly all that I
> > > want. POP3 and STMP, easy folder management, along with an outbox for
> > > saving messages when offline, and a sent items folder. (The search
> > > facility is also excellent).
> >
>
> Then you have an easy solution: stick with OE. (Oh! you tell me you need
> Windows just to use OE? Then complain M$, not me). I myself think that
> Outlook (not Outlook Express) has a fairly good user interface and
> user-side functionality, it is only that I don't want to pay the prize
> involved, so I stand with Netscape Communicator and that's all.
fair enough.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
sysengr
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From: Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:01:20 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >I agree with what you say, but my point is that, these days, using a
> >computer for word processing is all about content management. A good
> >word processor will provide you with better facilities for this than a
> >program that evolved from a typesetting tool.
>
> Actually, that sounds backwards. Better content management should
> be achieved by tools that segregate content from formatting. Tools
> like Latex do this more cleanly and produce more easily parsable
> output.
Maybe it's the way I use Word (oops - did I just admit to using Word?),
as I start with an outline, then proceed in "document view" without any
formatting (other than the auto formats provided by Word (oops - did I
just admit to using Word "features"?)), then apply the formatting when I
actually need the text in output, but - to me - Word is very good at
separating content from its ultimate rendition (oops - did I just admit
to liking Word).
Well, it looks like I've just condemned myself to a barrage of abuse!
Harry
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WebCam and software
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:01:16 -0400
Steffen Kluge wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Robert J Carter wrote:
> >There was an article just last month or so in Linux Journal about
> >the Axis camera. It's on-line at http://www.linuxjournal.com -
> > http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue77/4173.html
>
> I believe the Axis camera isn't a web cam to be used with Linux,
> it's a device that *runs* Linux, including a web server. You
> won't need a PC or anything else with it (only for initial IP
> configuration).
The Axis is indeed a networked camera that can be used with
Linux, Unix, Windows- probably anything that can access it via a
browser .. it does also use Linux as it's embedded OS, yes, but
it still can be *used* by another Linux machine.
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SCO/Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com
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