Linux-Misc Digest #89, Volume #26 Fri, 20 Oct 00 11:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Determinig functions build in Kernel ("Yoda")
Re: wrong major or minor number (Giacomo Catenazzi)
Re: truncated sounds ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Chinese ownership of adobe.com name (David Efflandt)
Re: What file(s) setup one's env? (Chris J/#6)
Re: Increase RAM in RedHat Linux (Eric)
Re: Which Linux distro most 'generic' *nix ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Netscape Download ? (Jean-David Beyer)
Partition Problem with Redhat 7.. ("AK")
Re: WINDOW MAKER 0.61.1 (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: console fonts (Andrew Purugganan)
Making X start with num lock on (Eduardo M Kalinowski)
Re: Apache and mod-ssl ("Steven de Boer")
Re: Koffice for KDE (Tomas Kral)
Re: Partition Problem with Redhat 7.. (Eric)
Re: Netscape Download ? (Trevor Brown)
Private Memory (Bill Moseley)
Beware of Stormix Brokerage Fees (Bill Ramsey)
Gnapster 1.3.10 (Doug Angus)
Re: Looking for LDAP client (Windows NT) for using LDAP linux server (Frank Ranner)
Re: Koffice for KDE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Joseph Dalton)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Andrew J. Perrin)
Re: Beware of Stormix Brokerage Fees (Rod Smith)
Re: Beware of Stormix Brokerage Fees (Bill Ramsey)
Re: Linux PDA ("David W. Swager")
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From: "Yoda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Determinig functions build in Kernel
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:37:10 +0200
>
> So far as I know, there is no way to extract this information from a
running
> system.
>
Well pardon me, but this seems to be untrue. Now I am by no means an expert
on this, but there does indeed appear to be a relation between /proc and the
available kernel functions. Certain files in /proc will or will not be
available, based on wheter the kernel supports certain features or not.
For example, if RARP has not been compiled into the kernel, there will be no
/proc/net/rarp file available. Similarly, one can determine the filesystems
supported by the running kernel by doing a 'cat /proc/filesystems', which
might give an outout like this:
ext2
nodev proc
iso9660
vfat
>From which one can determine that, indeed, ext2fs, iso9660 and vfat fs
support are compiled into the kernel.
As for the modules, if I choose not to compile my 3Com Fast Etherlink III
card as a module, I will not have a 3c90x.o file in my /lib/modules
directory. And if I do not compile my SoundBlaster PCI128 as a module, I
will not have a es1371.o file in there either.
There are probably millions of other 'compiled-in' and 'module compiled'
functions one can check for in these ways, but the truth is that the human
readable documentation on these topics is somewhat non-existant ;) But like
the original message-poster, I have now way of determining which /proc
directories and files, and which /lib/modules/*.o modules, relate to which
options in 'make config'. I guess you will have to be a programmer and get
in touch with The Source if you really want to figure this out, unless there
*is* documentation on this somewhere?
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:49:31 +0200
From: Giacomo Catenazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: wrong major or minor number
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am trying to mount my floppy drive, but when I do I get an error
> message that says mount: /dev/fd0 has wrong major or minor number. The
> floppy drive is loaded right into the kernel.
Are you sure? This is the tipical message of a module not loaded.
try:
modprobe floppy
mount /dev/fd0
> I've checked the
> major/minor numbers and they are 2, 0 respectively (ls -l /dev/fd0). I
thenumber are correct. Verify that it is a block device (the first
letter is
'b').
> am running kernel 2.4.0test-7. I'm not having problems with anything
test kernel are not alway very stable.
You can try 2.4.0-test9. But try first a stable version 2.2.X.
> else, and I just want to get some things off the floppy drive so I can
> move onto bigger problems :-). Any help would be great.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: truncated sounds
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:58:31 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:24:14 +0200, Christian Wenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>yes indeed, it seems so that the pop-ups truncate the sound.
>especially at the beginning of gnome.
>while working there are now problems.
>but i would like the reason for this "bug".
>actually i dont know which xfree version, i have, cause i am not
>at home. greetings from hamburg
That's really interesting. I posted my problem at comp.os.linux.x. Perhaps
someone knows the answer.
greetings from berlin
Eggert
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Eggert Ehmke
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Chinese ownership of adobe.com name
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:57:46 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just curious if anyone knows the story behind the chinese ownership of the
adobe.com domain name? Did Adobe do this intentionally, or did they
foolishly let their billing lapse, and somebody else snatched up their
name, possibly leeching them? How do we know if www.adobe.com is really
controlled by Adobe, or if the site was completely pirated for some
alternative purpose?
It is just a bit scary when a the domain of a program as widely
distributed as the Acrobat reader suddenly appears to be owned by an
uncontrollable communist country with unknown intentions. Just think what
could happen if they planted a monitor or delayed virus in it.
I am not saying that anything is wrong, but since their world headquarters
is in the USA, it makes you wonder what is going on.
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David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris J/#6)
Subject: Re: What file(s) setup one's env?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 20 Oct 2000 11:11:46 +0100
Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When you do an "env" in a term window, you get a LOT of environment
>information.
>
>From where does all this information derive? What file or files
>contains this information?
>
>I need to add a permanent, all-encompassing (all user) environment
>variable and don't know what file to edit. Doing a export in an
>xterm doesn't cut it...that only lasts for _that_ xterm session and
>is never permanent.
>
>praedor
Depending on the users...
/etc/profile for sh,ksh,bash
in the form:
VAR=value
export VAR
/etc/csh.cshrc for csh,tcsh
in the form:
setenv VAR value
Though reading the man page for csh/tcsh:
/etc/csh.cshrc Read first by every shell. ConvexOS,
Stellix and Intel use /etc/cshrc and NeXTs
use /etc/cshrc.std. A/UX, AMIX, Cray and
IRIX have no equivalent in csh(1), but
read this file in tcsh anyway. Solaris
2.x does not have it either, but tcsh
reads /etc/.cshrc. (+)
Note the variations in filename, for total confusion :-/
You may want to add to both to be on the safe side. I don't know that
global files zsh and other alternative shells use. Best to read the man
page for the shell if you don't know.
Chris...
--
Chris Johnson \ "If not for me then, do it for yourself. If not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ for then do it for the world." -- Stevie Nicks
www.nccnet.co.uk/~sixie/ ~---------------------------------------+
Redclaw chat - http://redclaw.org.uk - telnet redclaw.org.uk 2000 \______
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Increase RAM in RedHat Linux
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:13:36 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Neil wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:50:35 -0400, "David ...." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >On my systems it is found automatically. On some systems you need to add
> >a line to /etc/lilo.conf like this.
> >
> > append="mem=xxM" # where "xxM" is amount of memory.
>
> NOOOOO !
>
> set xx to be memory minus 2MB
>
> If you have 128Meg then set xx to be 126
Why?
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Which Linux distro most 'generic' *nix ?
Date: 20 Oct 2000 12:18:31 GMT
In comp.unix.admin J.H.Delaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there.
> Since a few months I have to work with a commercial *nix version at work, so
> it seemed like a good idea to install linux at my system at home, just as a
> learning experience. But after having tried out a few distro's, namely
> RedHat and SuSe, it seems to me like every linux distro is trying very hard
> to set itself apart from every other distro by doing almost everything there
> own way and including a lot of distro specific add-ons, and including a lot
> of stuff that is not commonly found on commercial unices.
> It would help me learn *nix in general more quickly if, for example, I dont
> have to learn two different ways of how the init.d directories are layed
> out, or keep remembering (forgetting) that Linux does 'adduser', but most
> commercial *nixes do 'useradd'.
> So I was wondering which distro comes closest to a generic commercial *nix ?
Please define "generic commercial *nix".
(i cannot do this. Thus i cannot deem which linux distro to use)
> Any and all suggestions are more than welcome.
--
Peter H�kanson
IPSec Sverige (At the Riverside of Gothenburg, home of Volvo)
Sorry about my e-mail address, but i'm trying to keep spam out.
Remove "icke-reklam"and "invalid" and it works.
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Download ?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:27:30 -0400
Daniel C wrote:
> Philo wrote:
> >
> > i was going to download some rpm's using Red Hat 6.0 /Netscape...
> > when i tried to download...all i saw was symbolic text filling my browser...
> > when i rebooted to windows and tried to download the same rpm i had no
> > problem...so just downloaded it into a shared windows/linux partition...
> > but what the heck was the Netscape browser doing???
> > i haven't a clue as to what was going on.
> >
>
> You can teach Netscape to recognize .rpm as something to download by
> clicking edit|preferences|navigator|applications|new...
> Set up .rmp as a new file type and choose 'save to disk' or 'ask user'.
> It is useful to set up .tar.gz, .bz2 and other common formats this way.
>
> Dan
Great idea: what MIME type should be used?
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 8:25am up 10 days, 14:03, 2 users, load average: 2.12, 2.15, 2.13
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From: "AK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat
Subject: Partition Problem with Redhat 7..
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:51:55 +0100
Hello I recently installed redhat 7 on my system.
My setup is as follows:
Drive 1: IBM GXP 30GB
C: 7GB
D: 7GB
E: 10GB
F: 6GB
Drive 2:
/ 3GB
/home 3GB
swap 450 MB
OK the problem is my D: drive disappears from DOS when my BIOS has
the second drive installed. Drive D: appears to be garbled and you cant
access it.. Drive E: is also serveraly affected and disappears... and
was totally damaged... this was from a recent install of Redhat 7.
When u disable the second drive from within the BIOS, drive D is OK..
what appears to be happening is drive D: and Linux are conflicting
some how.
My processor is P2 400Mhz and my BIOS is from ZIDA.
I can mount D: under linux and it does not appear garbled and I
copied the contents over to a section of the linux disk and I am thinking
of formatting it and then copying the contents over it again.
How can I fix this strange problem?
--
Kila_m
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: WINDOW MAKER 0.61.1
Date: 20 Oct 2000 12:45:03 GMT
Frank Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[ Lander Gurpide wrote:
[ > I would also like to know where to find documentation about Window
[ > Maker, installing sound, themes, etc.
[ > THANKS.
http://www.windowmaker.org. You're welcome!
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: console fonts
Date: 20 Oct 2000 12:39:31 GMT
John Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[ Years ago, the Slackware
distributions I was using offered a choice of VGA fonts
[ for the command
line/console display.
[ Can anyone tell me how I might change the console font on a RedHat box?
IIRC,
old redhat: man setfont
new redhat: man consolechars
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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From: Eduardo M Kalinowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Making X start with num lock on
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:00:04 GMT
Is there a way to make X start with Num Lock on? I've been able to
do this in the console, but when X starts it turns off Num Lock.
Thanks,
--
Eduardo M Kalinowski
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://move.to/hp48g
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Steven de Boer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache and mod-ssl
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:12:23 +0200
Villy Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:41:38 +0200, Steven de Boer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >I have configured apache with mod-ssl and php4 on RedHat 6.1. My problem
is
> >that I have apache running with ssl and I want to restart. When I try
this,
> >apache stops and all processes are gone. When I run apache without ssl, a
> >restart works fine.
> >
> >Does anyone know how to fix this?
> >
>
>
> The mod-ssl documentation explains different methods on how to enter
> the passphrase for the private key required for the SSL certificate.
>
>
I don't use any private key. I already put that off
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tomas Kral)
Subject: Re: Koffice for KDE
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:02:09 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> If you install the kde2rc2 rpm's, the newest koffice is part of it. KOffice
> needs the kde2 and qt2 libs.
Thanks but where can I get these rmps?
--
_______
SCIENCE Thomas Kral
SYSTEMS http://www.scisys.cz
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Partition Problem with Redhat 7..
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:54:15 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AK wrote:
>
> Hello I recently installed redhat 7 on my system.
>
> My setup is as follows:
>
> Drive 1: IBM GXP 30GB
> C: 7GB
> D: 7GB
> E: 10GB
> F: 6GB
>
> Drive 2:
> / 3GB
> /home 3GB
> swap 450 MB
>
> OK the problem is my D: drive disappears from DOS when my BIOS has
> the second drive installed. Drive D: appears to be garbled and you cant
> access it.. Drive E: is also serveraly affected and disappears... and
> was totally damaged... this was from a recent install of Redhat 7.
>
> When u disable the second drive from within the BIOS, drive D is OK..
> what appears to be happening is drive D: and Linux are conflicting
> some how.
>
> My processor is P2 400Mhz and my BIOS is from ZIDA.
>
> I can mount D: under linux and it does not appear garbled and I
> copied the contents over to a section of the linux disk and I am thinking
> of formatting it and then copying the contents over it again.
>
> How can I fix this strange problem?
> --
> Kila_m
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fdisk /dev/hdb
make sure all partitiontypes are linux only, if not, change them
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trevor Brown)
Subject: Re: Netscape Download ?
Date: 20 Oct 2000 13:58:44 GMT
Philo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: i was going to download some rpm's using Red Hat 6.0 /Netscape...
: when i tried to download...all i saw was symbolic text filling my browser...
I've had that happen, and it isn't hard to fix. Just experiment with the other
ways that you have available... for example, right click on the link and then
choose Save Link As.
--
Trevor
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From: Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Private Memory
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:32:41 -0700
Try again:
I want to look at processes and understand memory usage -- specifically,
how much memory is shared vs. private. For example, looking at 20
Apache children I want to know total memory used by all the processes,
but I want to know how much is shared between all the processes and how
much is private to each process.
I assume total memory used is = shared memory + total of all processes
private memory.
Where can I read about the /proc/<pid>/maps output?
Where can I learn more about Linux process memory usage? I don't need
too much detail, but more of an overview for a system admin type of
user. I'd like to understand exactly vmstat, /proc/<pic>/status and so
on are telling me. I'm looking for more of a white paper than a man
page, but something that's more of an overview.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
--
Bill Moseley
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From: Bill Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Beware of Stormix Brokerage Fees
Date: 20 Oct 2000 14:22:27 GMT
If you live in the US, be aware that if you order anything from
Stormix you will charged a brokerage fee when the package is
delivered.
I ordered the deluxe boxed set from Stormix:
Storm Linux 2000 Deluxe Edition 69.95 1 0.00
GST: 4.89
Tax Total: 0.00
Shipping: Express - USA: 21.99
Grand Total: 91.94
Imagine my surprise when the UPS guy tells me that I owe him $38 in
brokerage fees !! I refused the package and I've canceled my order. I
don't need stormix that bad.
Just to let everyone know about the brokerage fees.
Bill
--
Bill Ramsey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Doug Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gnapster 1.3.10
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:23:49 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
Seem to be having trouble with gnapster 1.3.10 - it's always giving me
"Napster query server reported all servers were busy" at all times of
the day.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Doug
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From: Frank Ranner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking for LDAP client (Windows NT) for using LDAP linux server
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:20:03 +1100
John wrote:
>
> We now want to use Windows NT-client hosts as well.
> The LDAP server on the linux server will then have to be used instead
> off a Windows NT PDC.
> In other words, �t has to be possible to login from the login window
> of the NT host by retrieving the user information from the LDAP server
> and approach the homedirectories on the linuxserver..
>
> What we haven't been able to find is a Windows NT-LDAPclient for the
> authentication on the linuxserver and the Windows NT-clienthost
> itself.
> We have tried WAX500 but that seems to be a LDAP database client to
> retrieve the database information itself and not siutable for
> authentication purposes.
> Our question now is:
>
> "WHO KNOWS A SUITABLE Windows NT LDAPCLIENT FOR AUTHENTICATION ON A NT
> HOST?""
> Harry js and John Vi
I cannot help with an NT ldap client. You might try the Windows
newsgroups. But
there may be another way to do what you want. You could try installing
Samba, with
the PDC functionality compiled in. This will allow your NT clients to
authenticate.
The next trick is to convince Samba to use LDAP, or more likely to use
PAM to do the
user authentication. Then use the PAM LDAP module to access your user
list.
The best way would be to install a test box to see if you can get the
scheme to work
before fiddling with your production box.
Regards, Frank Ranner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Koffice for KDE
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:48:03 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:02:09 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tomas Kral)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>> If you install the kde2rc2 rpm's, the newest koffice is part of it. KOffice
>> needs the kde2 and qt2 libs.
>
>Thanks but where can I get these rmps?
Look at
http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-2.0-RC2.html
there you find links to binary dowloads for RedHat, SuSE, and Mandrake.
--
Eggert Ehmke
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Joseph Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 20 Oct 2000 10:48:05 -0400
Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:25:05 GMT, Haoyu Meng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >U need to read a whole book to understand how to use Latex. I am in the business
> > >of writing books using computers. I don't want to have to learn programming to
> > >do that.
> >
> > You have an exceedingly unprofessional attitude regarding your tools.
> >
>
>
> What does THAT mean...that one should HAVE to learn programing in order
> to
> write papers?
>
> What nonsense. The writing is secondary to the work, unless one is a
> journalist.
> If one is a scientist, your job is to do science, not learn
> typesetting. Your
> scientific WORK is what matters most and it is a waste of time and
> effort to
> learn something that isn't needed just to write about it.
>
Well how much time do you spend learning to use and futz with Word
then? :-)
> Science, Nature, Journal of Biological Chemistry, Biochemistry,
> Journal of Virology, Virology, Journal of Molecular Biology, Genetics,
> Gene, Journal of Molecular Evolution, RNA...NONE of them accept latex
> (tex) format
> documents. They DO accept word and wordperfect. Some of them accept
> Wordstar.
> A few of them accept plain text, which latex _can_ handle in these
> circumstances.
>
I went to the web page for paper submission for Science. You can
submit in PDF or postscript. These are easily created from LaTeX. I
don't know about the other journals but I suspect they are similar.
> My colleagues are all scientists who publish in the above journals, and
> a few
> others. They all use Word. They do not have the need nor desire to
> take time
> away from doing X-ray crystallography, biochemistry, virology, or
> molecular
> biology research in order to learn something like latex when all they
> need
> to publish is Word or WordPerfect plus EndNote. For graphics they use
> Freehand or Illustrator. The EDITOR(s) at the journal gets to deal with
> all that
> typesetting crap. That is what they are paid to do.
>
I think you spend more time dealing with typesetting crap in Word than
in LaTeX. LaTeX frees you from that. It deals with it. The journals
don't care about your typesetting anyway, so why should you futz with
fonts and such in Word?
> Perhaps in physics, math, and computer "science" this is different but
> in the
> above fields, it is practically useless to spend time learning latex.
>
LaTeX is very useful for mathematically heavy works. You can buy
add-ons for Word that will "construct" your equations using GUI
buttons, but they just don't compare to the time saved just writing it
out in LaTeX. Actually I think some of them might accept TeX style
math input strings, ...but there you go learning to program again. And
no doubt, not all of your colleagues have that particular add-on.
> To consider this reality unprofessional is ridiculous. Priorities.
>
> praedor
The response was to someone who considers themselves a professional
writer. ("I am in the business of writing books using computers.")
Therefor I agree with jedi's assesment. LaTeX is not that hard to
learn. The output is gorgeous. It saves time. Why ignore it?
--
-- Joe Dalton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew J. Perrin)
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 20 Oct 2000 10:32:17 -0400
Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Andrew J. Perrin" wrote:
> >
> > Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew J. Perrin),
> > > In a message on 17 Oct 2000 19:14:06 -0400, wrote :
> > >
> > > AJP> Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > AJP>
> > > AJP> > Roberto Teixeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > AJP> > In a message on 16 Oct 2000 17:15:08 -0400, wrote :
> > > AJP> >
> > > AJP> > RT> >>>>> "Jan" == Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > AJP> > RT>
> > > AJP> > RT> Jan> The most portable document format is PDF (Portable Document
> > > AJP> > RT> Jan> FOrmat - D'uh). RTF is not half as portable.
> > > AJP> > RT>
> > > AJP> > RT> Not to start a document format war, but isn't PDF a proprietary
> > > AJP> > RT> format? What about PS? I don't know if PS is proprietary, but it sure
> > > AJP> > RT> is *very* portable
> > > AJP> >
> > > AJP> > Except for MS-Windows boxes....
> > > AJP>
> > > AJP> gsview32 exists for windows and displays postscript fine.
> > >
> > > True, but *most* MS-Windows people don't know this.
> >
> > ah yes, but this would be a problem with the people, not their boxes....
>
> Can you edit/change a ps or pdf? No. They are both useless if you
> intend to
> make later changes or have collaborators who are expected to make
> changes or
> revisions to a document.
obviously. My response was to someone saying win users couldn't view a
ps doc, not to suggest that ps fulfills the requirements. I'm on
record already as saying that while you're writing and revising,
plaintext is fine for 99% of what you're doing; format it later! Just
my experience.
ap
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Beware of Stormix Brokerage Fees
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:49:39 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bill Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If you live in the US, be aware that if you order anything from
> Stormix you will charged a brokerage fee when the package is
> delivered.
>
> I ordered the deluxe boxed set from Stormix:
> Storm Linux 2000 Deluxe Edition 69.95 1 0.00
> GST: 4.89
> Tax Total: 0.00
> Shipping: Express - USA: 21.99
> Grand Total: 91.94
>
> Imagine my surprise when the UPS guy tells me that I owe him $38 in
> brokerage fees !! I refused the package and I've canceled my order. I
> don't need stormix that bad.
How precisely have you reported this? In particular, the phrase "the UPS
guy tells me that I owe him $38," if interpreted literally, sounds like
the UPS delivery person was rogue, and was trying to extort extra money
from package recipients. OTOH, if that $38 appeared on an invoice that
came with the package, then that's another matter.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Bill Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Beware of Stormix Brokerage Fees
Date: 20 Oct 2000 15:03:34 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) wrote:
>How precisely have you reported this? In particular, the phrase "the UPS
>guy tells me that I owe him $38," if interpreted literally, sounds like
>the UPS delivery person was rogue, and was trying to extort extra money
>from package recipients. OTOH, if that $38 appeared on an invoice that
>came with the package, then that's another matter.
I've learned more: Stormix used "New Media Company" to send the
package. I guess they are a brokerage company or something and they
were the ones who were charging me $38 for delivery.
Yes there was an invoice.
Stormix is really stupid for doing this !!
Bill
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Bill Ramsey
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From: "David W. Swager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.palmtops.pilot
Subject: Re: Linux PDA
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:04:50 -0400
"Mick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8snb63$s10$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> New palm device using Linux Open Source!
>
> http://www.agendacomputing.com/
>
>
Looks interesting. Very light, but limited to 8mb+8MB. Decent 66Mhz
processor.
I know Compaq (I hate them!) have a linux build running on the Ipaq 3650
(206 Mhz) in place of Pocket PC OS. Rumor is it is pretty sweet, but there
are interoperability problems with both Palm and Pocket PC.
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