Linux-Misc Digest #871, Volume #26 Sun, 21 Jan 01 00:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: bad printing quality (Cristian)
Re: Linux not free anymore? (Roger Blake)
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? (Marvin Minsky)
Re: Journaling filesystems. Where can I find a comparison? (Chris Jackson)
Re: Help 2 !!hub.c port1 over current change (staplesj)
Re: Help installing KDE 2.0 (Arctic Storm)
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? (Robert Heller)
Re: installing gtk ("muzh")
Re: Journaling filesystems. Where can I find a comparison? (Eric Sandeen)
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? (Christopher W. Aiken)
Re: LICQ Contact List (E J)
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What's up with sourceforge? (Carl Fink)
Re: pkgadd, pkginfo, ... (elaine chan)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:46:50 GMT
"Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I seem to have no luck finding a decent WYSIWYG HTML editor for
> Linux. In particular, it must be good with frames and tables (so
> Mozilla's out).
> Any recommendations?
No.
People that try to do _really_ sophisticated "web stuff" atop Unix and
Linux tend to do so using dynamic tools that write the HTML under the
control of some sort of "code generator." PHP, Perl, Lisp, Python,
and such. WYSIWYG is ludicrously useless in such contexts.
People that try to do _moderately_ sophisticated "web stuff" atop Unix
and Linux commonly use higher level document composition languages, as
with DocBook, LaTeX, and such, translating into HTML as needed.
Again, the association of WYSIWYG with HTML is ludicrously useless in
these sorts of contexts.
The case where it would be relevant to do "WYSIWYG HTML" is where
someone is writing documents that they wish to deploy in HTML form,
and have no more native form preferable to HTML. In such cases, the
level of sophistication needed is minimal, so that the value of a
sophisticated HTML generation tool is not terribly high.
As suggested in the .signature below, "free software" gets developed
based on there being substantial need. This must be combined with
there being people who are both interested and capable of developing
the software.
In the cases of the first two varieties of HTML generators, people
have been both interested and capable who felt it worthwhile to
develop the software.
In the case of the sort of HTML generator that you seem to want, there
seems to be a mismatch of desires and interests. Novices seem to
_want_ WYSIWYG HTML generators, but this clearly has not translated to
sufficient interest being generated to actually result in people
developing such software.
The fact that you think it would be a neat idea does not translate to
"sufficient interest" for someone to decide to devote a few thousand
hours of effort to the task. If you think it is truly important, then
you may wish to either:
a) Start the task yourself;
b) Work on your motivational skills to try to argue that it "should
be done," and argue so persuasively that someone will drop what
they're doing to do what you want;
c) Offer a significant financial bounty to whomever produces the
software you want to induce someone to be motivated despite their
disinterest.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@acm.org")
http://vip.hex.net/~cbbrowne/html.html
"The main reason for open-source gets developed is need. If the need
is there, then the software will get written. If it isn't really
needed, then the lack of software is hardly a problem, right?"
-- Almost Brian Hurt's Words <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Cristian <c{ristian}h{umberto}[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bad printing quality
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:47:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
> 1440x720, nearly the same results). So my question is: where can I change the
> quality of the generated postscript file? As far as I undestood the Linux
> printing concept, the file is send to a2ps. There it will be converted to an
> .ps file, then it is send to gs, to change it to the appropriate printer
> language. After this, lpr sends it to the printer. Is this correct?
...
The BEST way to print a picture (jpg, gif, png, ...) is to use the
latest version of GIMP 1.2 . It includes support for most of the modern
printers and (I have tested it) its output is excellent. You don't need
to convert to PS; in fact, it is a bad idea to convert pictures to
postscript (unless of course you need to do so).
C.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Blake)
Subject: Re: Linux not free anymore?
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:59:24 GMT
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 07:10:04 -0500, Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>especially of the sect called Libertarian, consider that to be
>completely unfair. Their view seems to be that, while they should be
It is completely unfair, and in fact is a form of theft and slavery.
Of course the Religious Left does not consider productive and successful
people to be people at all -- they are merely a resource to be endlessly
plundered to meet all of "society's" needs.
>allowed to use some of their wealth to take care of the unfortunate, it
You are free to use as much of your own wealth, time, and other reasources
to assist the "unfortunate" as you like. Barbara Streisand is welcome
to open up her many homes to the homeless. Ted Kennedy is free to dismantle
his family's fortune and give it to the poor.
Of course the liberal, "progressive" way is to use "legitimate"
government force to confiscate the wealth of others, thus making it
possible for caring and omniscient bureaucrats to bestow jackbooted
State compassion upon the Offically Worthy.
--
Roger Blake
(remove second "g" and second "m" from address for email)
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From: Marvin Minsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:46:37 GMT
This isn't about Linux at all, it's only a useless disclaimer.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ... in three to eight years we will have a machine with the general
> intelligence of an average human being ... The machine will
begin
> to educate itself with fantastic speed. In a few months it will be
> at genius level and a few months after that its powers will be
> incalculable ...
> -- Marvin Minsky
An irresponsible journalist named Brad Darrach once "quoted"
me, in Life Magazine, as saying that we'll have
superior-to-human AI in "from 3 to 8 years", or something like that.
More likely, I would have said in "from 3 to 8 decades," meaning
something like between 2000 and 2050.
We complained to Life Magazine, but they were not into publishing
retractions.
In any case the very idea of making such a prediction is unsound,
because it's so hard to predict either how hard the problems are or
what caliber of people will work on them.
One critical question is, when can a machine can start to improve
its own performance. We know how to make machines do various
specialized things, but we do not know how to achieve anything
like common sense thinking. At some point, however, we will find
ways to endow our machines with more general learning
capabilities. Eventually, we can expect to find ways with which
they themselves can learn better ways to learn.
At that point, we can expect them to start "bootstrap processes" in
which they begin
to improve themselves - and perhaps then discover even better
ways to improve themselves. From that point on, it is conceivable
that things will proceed very quickly - especially if by then
computers are much faster than brains.
Then--as pointed out by many Science Fiction writers (e.g.,
Heinlein, in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and D.F.Jones, in
Colossus), such a machine might be able to review vast bodies
of memories and records of earlier learning experiences in days,
hours, or even minutes, so that the resulting rate of progress will
be beyond our ability to track - unless we make sure to artificially
slow things down. So, I would stand by that 'singularity' prediction.
= = = =
In any case, when you quote people in 'signature' lines, it is better
to use primary sources, rather than tertiary authors
who take their quotations from the popular press.
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From: Chris Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Journaling filesystems. Where can I find a comparison?
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:07:27 -0600
I can just tell you from experience that Reiser is DOPE! It's very solid
like ext2 only feels much faster, and recovers from crashes flawlessly.
I've never done anything bad enough to hose it that it couldn't recover
from.
Thaddeus L Olczyk wrote:
> I am upgrading now from ext2. I would like to know what filesystem
> best suits my need. Reiserfs is supposed to be what's in now, but I
> hear good things about xfs. Does anyone know where I can find
> comparisons of various journaling filesystems?
> alt.os.linux.mandrake
> TIA
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From: staplesj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Help 2 !!hub.c port1 over current change
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 03:17:51 GMT
bindou wrote:
> Help!
> I installed linux 7.0 redhat and in addtion to the L only appearing without
> the ILO, get the following probelm when i boot using the linux boot disk:
> the messaage hub.c port1 over currenct change KeeP coming in the text mode
> login .it does not howver(thank god) appear in the x windows. However i
> cannot login in the text mode as they are swamped by this message over and
> over again. I tried to reinstall linux without any success ( both the L and
> hub.c problem were intact).
>
> rgds
>
> jbk
the "l" problem you refer to has to do with a limitation of lilo. Repartition
and reinstall, but instead of making one large "/" partition, make a 20-40 MEG
"/boot" partition, and fill the rest with a "/" partition. This will get rid
of the lilo problem. I had the same problem on my system, and that fixed it.
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From: Arctic Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help installing KDE 2.0
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 03:23:34 GMT
>> I just downloaded KDE 2.0 RPM's.
>> It's approximately 26 files; all RPM's.
>> I issued the following commands.
>> rpm -Uvh qt*
>> rpm -Uvh lib*
>> rpm -Uvh htdig*
>> So far so good.
>> And then I tried issuing the following command.
>> rpm -Uvh kde*
>> I got tons of failed dependencies errors.
>> Any help?
>
>
> Install the required dependencies.
There are about ten dependencies files. There must be something wrong.
When I downloaded the binaries, it didn't even have a "README" file
for installation instructions! Why not just include *all* the
dependencies, so that we won't have to hunt down the files. I don't
even know where to get these dependencies files. Why can't they produce
an easy, user-friendly product?
Regardless of how much the Linux community criticizes Microsoft, the
Linux community has a lot to learn from MS. MS would *never* produce a
product where installation is tough. MS built their company on catering
to the general public.
KDE sucks!
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: 20 Jan 2001 21:22:58 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Alfter),
In a message on Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:21:31 -0000, wrote :
SA> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
SA> Flacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
SA> >I seem to have no luck finding a decent WYSIWYG HTML editor for Linux. In
SA> >particular, it must be good with frames and tables (so Mozilla's out).
SA>
SA> HTML isn't supposed to be WYSIWYG. So-called editors that treat it like it
SA> is are usually borken in one or more ways. (BTW, frames are evil.)
Not if done 'right'. They can be a real time saving -- saves having to
reload a pile of nav buttons over and over again. Since ALL of *my* web
pages are CGI driven (in Tcl with cgi.tcl), I have things set up to use
frames or not.
SA>
SA> >Any recommendations?
SA>
SA> I'm partial to joe for most editing tasks. Others here will more than
SA> likely recommend vi, emacs, or some other editor. make, sed, and awk are
SA> your friends when you're maintaining a site of moderate size, too. The only
SA> graphical tool you need for putting a site together is some kind of image
SA> editor, and that's only if you're going to include images in your site
SA> design that you didn't just steal from somewhere else.
Right. I use MicroEmacs to edit my Tcl and either GIMP or cp for the images.
SA>
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From: "muzh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installing gtk
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:26:51 +1300
You need the X development packages installed also.
If you have them, you may have to pass special parameters to ./configure
for it to find them -- type ./configure --help (I think) to find out --
Recently, the keys of "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 's computer randomly
danced and produced <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> i'm trying to install gtk on my linux machine, and everytime i
> ./configure, it says X libraries or include files not found. I know i
> have X windows
> (if that what the X refers to) installed, and glib is configured
> correctly,
> but i ahve no idea what to do. I tried using the disable xim command
> when configuring, but it says there was a configuration error. someone
> please help me with my problem. thank you.
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com http://www.help.com/
--
Never trust a man in a suit
cll
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From: Eric Sandeen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Journaling filesystems. Where can I find a comparison?
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:31:19 -0600
There's a decent comparison here:
http://linuxgazette.com/issue55/florido.html
Thaddeus L Olczyk wrote:
>
> I am upgrading now from ext2. I would like to know what filesystem
> best suits my need. Reiserfs is supposed to be what's in now, but I
> hear good things about xfs. Does anyone know where I can find
> comparisons of various journaling filesystems?
> alt.os.linux.mandrake
> TIA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher W. Aiken)
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 04:07:18 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Flacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
->
->I seem to have no luck finding a decent WYSIWYG HTML editor for Linux. In
->particular, it must be good with frames and tables (so Mozilla's out).
->
->Any recommendations?
->
->Thanks
->
Try "bluefish".
--
Christopher W. Aiken, Scenery Hill, Pa, USA
chris at cwaiken dot com, www.cwaiken.com
Current O/S: FreeBSD 4.2 RELEASE
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LICQ Contact List
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 04:30:03 GMT
$ cd $HOME
$ cd .licq
$ ls # you should find users.conf and users.
MIKE wrote:
> I have Redhat 7.0 and LICQ running on my Thinkpad with all of my necessary
> contacts. I wanted to transfer all of these contacts to my desktop system
> also running Redhat 7.0 and LICQ.
>
> I am using the LICQ that came in a bundled RPM with Redhat 7.
>
> From reading the LICQ website I have seen that there is a users.conf file
> and that there should be files named (users uin).uin but I can't find
> either of these.
>
> Can anyone offer any assistance with this issue?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 04:46:50 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Alfter) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Flacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I seem to have no luck finding a decent WYSIWYG HTML editor for Linux. In
> >particular, it must be good with frames and tables (so Mozilla's out).
>
> HTML isn't supposed to be WYSIWYG. So-called editors that treat it like it
> is are usually borken in one or more ways. (BTW, frames are evil.)
Ah, frames indeed.
And consider CSS. And the fact that the latest HTML standards are
designed to allow you to generate web pages that have _NO VISUAL
REPRESENTATION_.
Links are not particularly visual; scripts are certainly not; the
interface for frames breaks "WYSIWYGness" in that they indicate that
the document has multiple views, such that "what you see is explicitly
supposed to be variable."
The fact that the UIs for the web browsers don't play very well with
frames is a sign of some inherent "brokenness;" how a WYSIWYG designer
is supposed to cope with that is anybody's guess.
Someone wanting to "WYSIWYG" some HTML into place probably shouldn't
bother trying to do so directly; they should get a word processor,
designed to do visual layout, and then publish their word processor
documents in HTML form once the layout has been finalized. That
approach seems to be commonly supported by word processing software
these days...
--
(reverse (concatenate 'string "gro.gultn@" "enworbbc"))
http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linux.html
Rules of the Evil Overlord #62. "I will design fortress hallways with
no alcoves or protruding structural supports which intruders could use
for cover in a firefight." <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: What's up with sourceforge?
Date: 21 Jan 2001 04:43:57 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:03:37 -0700 Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>For the past week I was unable to connect to sourceforge.net (host unreachable).
>Does anyone know what's going on there?
It's you. I've been reaching Sourceforge just fine that period, and
did so five seconds ago.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-Con's Science and Technology Programming
<http://www.iconsf.org/>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: pkgadd, pkginfo, ...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (elaine chan)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 04:56:01 GMT
>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Diether De Praetere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>> --------------FBB1DDF8AE879CF746B40F1F
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've got a question realted to installing packages with pkgadd,
>> pkginfo, etc... (no (s)rpm's)
Maybe part of packagetools from Slackware
>>
>> We have here shell scripts to install some in-house software and
>> apparently they use pkgadd. But my Redhat doesn't have these commands
>> available... I did some searches on the web, but they seem to be hard to
>> find for linux.
http://www.linuxmafia.org,
http://www.slackware.com,
http://www.userlocal.com plus others
I think that packagetools can cooexist with rpm database. A list
of installed packages appears in /var/log/packages
........
>> Thx,
>> Diether
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