Linux-Misc Digest #889, Volume #26 Mon, 22 Jan 01 12:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Help setting clock to bios time (Villy Kruse)
Re: Linux not free anymore?
Suggestions on A+ self-study course? (Bill Delphenich)
Re: bad printing quality (Rod Smith)
Swap size / Memory upgrade (ekk)
Re: Kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task! ("Peter T. Breuer")
Monochrome monitors on a vga board under linux ?
Re: High Speed Modem Bell
Re: Swap size / Memory upgrade ("Peter T. Breuer")
Help! I can't use a mic ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Full-featured, reliable POP-mail client for Linux? ("Cameron Jay Erens")
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? (Kent Perrier)
VIM Toolbar missing
Re: Shutdown from a Win PC ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Swap size / Memory upgrade (ekk)
Re: Best way to replicate Linux partition? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Using a mic on a Thinkpad (Laurent Duperval)
Re: Swap size / Memory upgrade ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Shutdown from a Win PC ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Swap size / Memory upgrade (ekk)
Re: To all linux user...... (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Full-featured, reliable POP-mail client for Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Help setting clock to bios time
Date: 22 Jan 2001 14:39:08 GMT
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 08:33:47 -0800, Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jan 21 08:17:32 linux fsck: /dev/hda7: clean, 254/128000 files,
>4357/255898 blocks
>Jan 21 08:17:32 linux fsck: /dev/hda8: clean, 2258/256000 files,
>22993/511930 blocks
>Jan 21 08:17:32 linux rc.sysinit: Checking filesystems succeeded
>Jan 21 00:17:34 linux rc.sysinit: Mounting local filesystems succeeded
>Jan 21 00:17:34 linux rc.sysinit: Checking loopback filesystems
>succeeded
>Jan 21 00:17:34 linux rc.sysinit: Mounting loopback filesystems:
>succeeded
That occurs when you have separate /usr file system and /etc/localtime
is a symbolic link. Before /usr is mounted the time display is UTC
because /etc/localtime can't be opened. As soon as /usr is mounted
the timezone information becomes available.
Villy
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux not free anymore?
Date: 22 Jan 2001 23:42:59 +0900
>>>>> "avenj" == avenj <bloody@{nospam}stabbing.org> writes:
avenj> Perhaps - on the other hand, without taxes there's no
avenj> services, including no military and no education. Would you
avenj> rather have no taxes, but have everyone living in fear of
avenj> being attacked and being completely uneducated?
>>
>> 'Fair tax' is an oxymoron.
not to mention no regulation (gasp!), no courts, and hence, no way of
arbitrating disputes between the net.libertarians themselves. lack of
trust, uniformity would soon make capitalism totally unworkable. lack
of education would mean no market for computers, software, the net.
after the overthrow of "socialist" (sic) institutions (which support
the .com economy), there were would be no more jobs for geeks, and in
fact, precious few geeks. i dunno, mebbe y'all could get religion or
something and be, say, monks instead.
how's that?
the thing about libertarian capitalists is that most of them don't
understand that things like regulation and taxes benefit them quite a
bit. Of course, for some, the libertarian schtick is just a pose to
get an even bigger piece of the pie. but not too worry, the whiny,
"i'm an oppressed, pimply white boy" thing has limited appeal.
raise taxes now!
g.m.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just got a BLOW JOB from AYN RAND!!
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From: Bill Delphenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Suggestions on A+ self-study course?
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:51:06 -0500
I have been managing a LAN for over 10 years now but I never bothered to
get my A+ certification. I think I'd like to do it via self-study.
Is there a good self-study program available for A+? Preferably not
just reading a book, but a CDROM or maybe online type of thing?
Thanks for any advice.
Bill
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: bad printing quality
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:06:35 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <94h697$a3u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> In article <yGia6.251469$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> [Posted and mailed]
>> > where can I change the
>> > quality of the generated postscript file?
>>
>> This is handled by the application doing the printing.
>
> so there is no possibility to change that.
Only by changing the application or the driver built into the
application (most don't support this).
>> As to your specific issue, it's hard to say whether the problem lies > in
>> the application that's generating the PostScript or in the >Ghostscript
>> configuration; it could be either. Try changing to another graphics
>> program. If you get better results from it, then the problem's in the
>> program; if not, chances are it's in the Ghostscript configuration
>> (which is part of whatever smart filter package your distribution uses).
>
> When I print into a file with netscape or gimp (using postscript 2.0) and
> then check the file, it is as ugly as on the printer, so there problem might
> be the conversion from the picture to a postscriptfile, isn't it?
If you're checking the file with gv or the like, the quality is likely
to be quite poor; for some reason, gv just produces lousy results
handling color on the screen.
It's really hard, though, to know from a verbal description just what
the problem is. Three possibilities spring to mind:
1) Something's misconfigured on your setup, producing lousy output
quality.
2) Ghostscript includes early or poor-quality drivers for your
particular printer. You won't fix this except by upgrading
Ghostscript, which may entail contributing to its development.
3) You're getting normal output for your printer via Ghostscript, but
have unusually high personal standards, which Ghostscript doesn't
meet.
The line between #2 and #3 is rather blurry, of course. It might help
if you'd post the make and model of your printer, and the URL to a
high-quality scan of a sample printout, preferably with the original
file or a better printout of the same file from Windows. (DO NOT post
such a scan, though!) This would allow people to judge the quality of
the printout themselves, without relying on imperfect and inherently
subjective assessments of quality.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: ekk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Swap size / Memory upgrade
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:03:55 -0500
Trying to make a judgement call without enough experience -
I just upgraded from 512 RAM to 1 GB. My swap space is 768. Should
I increase the swap? We do often use all of the RAM available on a
machine, but we of course try to avoid using the swap.
In the same way, I also downgraded a 1 GB RAM machine to 512 (bad RAM).
Do I need to lower the swap space?
In both situations disk space is not a concern.
I assume the best way to adjust the swap is to use Partition Magic?
I don't want to go through a whole reinstall of either machine.
Ken
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task!
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:16:36 +0100
Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> Internal modem (not on motherboard). Ethernet card (not on motherboard).
> Does not happen often. I am now up to almost a week without a problem
> from this, so it is going to be quite difficult to tell if I do fix it.
> The modem and the NIC both have APC surge protectors on them and have
> never been connected without them. The machine goes through an APC
> Smart-UPS UPS that has all manner of surge protection in it as well.
> I doubt IRQ conflict. For one thing, this is a recent problem, and I
> doubt the IRQs have moved around after remaining the same for about 10
> months. I am almost certain I told the BIOS that my OS is not PNP-aware
> (last March, I believe).
Probably the cards were not quite seated in their slots. Check for missing
location screws that might have walked. And of course, the fan.
> I am a little surprised to see the Matrox G200 AGP video board as using
> IRQ16, since I did not know it used any IRQ at all. That would conflict
Ditto.
> with the Ultra-2 SCSI controller to which my two hard drives are
> connected. I suppose I should get in touch with the manufacturer of my
> machine about this conflict, right?
Mmm .. you should disable the IRQ for the vga in the bios. But if tehy
are sharing, then they said they could share.
>> See if the error can be triggered by loading particular device drivers
>> and executing them.
> How do I do that? The modem is on a serial port (/dev/ttyS1) and that is
> compiled right into the kernel, is it not?
Serial.o is a module. I meant "exercise them".
> Do you mean to manually load that instead of having it come in as
> needed? Do you really think the NIC on the PCI for sure and not sharing
> interrupts with the modem, could be interfering with the modem that is
> almost certainly on the ISA?
I just mean that you should waggle things one at a time untill you find
one that squawks.
Peter
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Monochrome monitors on a vga board under linux ?
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:27:56 -0500
Hello,
I have recently come into the possession of an ancient HP D1181W monochrome
monitor.
I tried to hook it up to a VGA display adaptor, usign a 9pin-to 15pin
converter.
I can get the imagel on the screen, but it seemes to be messed up.The
vertical sync is OK, and the picture is stable. Unfortunately, on the
horizontal settings, it seemes to not give a readable image.I can see a
bunch of pixels blink, which I know is the cursor. Just before that is a
rectangular area of bright pixels which I know is the "login:" string.
They are unreadable.
This video card shows a normal picture when hooked up to any of the modern
monitors ( NEC Multisync 2A, Viewsonic GT775, PF775 etc.. )
Just a thought : Am I dealing with an "interlaced" monitor that is receiving
"non-interlaced" data ?
On the backof the monitor, ( where the monitor-to-video-card cable goes ) it
says to use a device with a BS6301 output
???
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: High Speed Modem Bell
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:38:58 -0500
Assuming you have the hardware end taken care of.....
Access manager will not run on Linux. it is a windows program .
I think 7 comes with Roaring penguin's PPPOE software.
Check for it on your system, or in the rpm's on the redhat cd .Or, head over
to www.roaringpenguin.com
Once the software is installed, run "adsl-setup" ,and have your sympatico
book handy .
Then :
1 ) Don't forget to update redhat,
2) Turn off services you don't use .
3) Head over to some firewall script building site , and get a tight
firewall.
Gordon Berta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Does any one know how to install bell sympatico highspeed access manager
> on RedHat 7?
> Gord
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Swap size / Memory upgrade
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:41:47 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc ekk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just upgraded from 512 RAM to 1 GB. My swap space is 768. Should
> I increase the swap? We do often use all of the RAM available on a
You tell me. Do you need or use it?
> machine, but we of course try to avoid using the swap.
> In the same way, I also downgraded a 1 GB RAM machine to 512 (bad RAM).
> Do I need to lower the swap space?
What for? You probably need to increase it, if you were using all yoru
ram before!
> I assume the best way to adjust the swap is to use Partition Magic?
?? Just add or subtract a few more partitions with fdisk.
> I don't want to go through a whole reinstall of either machine.
??? Now you have got me puzzled! Are you SURE you know anything about
system administration? Why would you ever reinstall a machine just in
order to change a few measly things about it? Edit the ptable to be
the way you like for your swap.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help! I can't use a mic
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:48:36 GMT
I got a mic for christmas, and I can't use it. When I try to record
from it, sox gives me the message "sox:'/dev/audio':no such device" or
something to that effect. It also gives me that message when I do a
"dd bs=8k count=4 </dev/audio >/tmp/sample.au" Which ViaVoice tells to
do to make sure that my sound card can be used for audio input. There
are no programs using the sound card when I do this, so I cannot find
any problem with the statement. Also, sometimes, I cannot even output
sound, I get the same messages. Someone Help ME!!!!
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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Reply-To: "Cameron Jay Erens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Cameron Jay Erens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc,alt.os.linux.suse,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Full-featured, reliable POP-mail client for Linux?
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:05:51 -0500
Whoops...forgot it's one word...I knew that it had been renamed, but I could
never remember the name...I've always known it as Helix Code.
-Cameron
"Ken Moffat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Cameron Jay Erens wrote:
> >
> > Then try Evolution after it's final release...try it now if you don't
really
> > need a 100% bug free email client.
> > www.helix-code.com
>
> New name for this company. If you go to www.helixcode.com (note no dash)
> you go to www.ximian.com.
>
> --
> Ken Moffat
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Kent Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: 22 Jan 2001 10:13:42 -0600
"Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I seem to have no luck finding a decent WYSIWYG HTML editor for Linux. In
> particular, it must be good with frames and tables (so Mozilla's out).
>
> Any recommendations?
What about bluefish (http://bluefish.openoffice.nl)?
Kent
--
Expect to be publicly mocked as long as you call yourselves "perl experts".
- Abigail in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: VIM Toolbar missing
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:30:05 -0000
Hi, i accidentally removed the bar in VIM by selecting hide bar option in
the file pull down menu. How do i make it reappear again?
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Shutdown from a Win PC
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:34:46 GMT
Marco Menardi wrote:
>
> Hi, I want to installa a Linux server without monitor and keyboard for
> my 3 Win PC lan. To shutdown it (saving energy when is not work time,
> i.e. sunday) I need something that my secretary can run from her Win
> Desktop. Any idea/solution to give me? I really need it soon!
> Thanks a lot :)
> Marco Menardi
>
> SuSE 7.0 pro
>
> Please, don't tell me that this is a bad aproach and that I shuld shh to
> the system and give user account and password... my secretary will
> hardly do it and mine is a very very small office and I'm introducing
> linux most for my fun than because I need big security. Of course, I
> will have to stay with windows server if introducing linux will
> complicate our work too much... so help me this way! :)
What might work is a program called webmin. It works from a web browser
eg. Netscape or IE. All your secretary would have to do is log on to the
Linux box, coose the System tab, and then scroll down and click on the
Shutdown system button.
jamess
--
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
-Anonymous
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From: ekk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Swap size / Memory upgrade
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:31:12 -0500
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc ekk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I just upgraded from 512 RAM to 1 GB. My swap space is 768. Should
> > I increase the swap? We do often use all of the RAM available on a
>
> You tell me. Do you need or use it?
As I said, we often use all of the RAM on the machine. We don't like to use
the swap for obvious reasons - it bogs down the machine. If the process is
to big for one machine, we move it to another machine with more RAM.
Although, I don't claim to be an expert on how the machine uses swap, that's
why I'm asking for a judgement call!
>
>
> > machine, but we of course try to avoid using the swap.
>
> > In the same way, I also downgraded a 1 GB RAM machine to 512 (bad RAM).
> > Do I need to lower the swap space?
>
> What for? You probably need to increase it, if you were using all yoru
> ram before!
I don't need to increase it. It is already set to 1024 MB. I said, the
machine had bad RAM, and this is just a temporary downgrade until I can get
another 512 module. Again, I'm not claiming to be an expert on swap.
>
>
> > I assume the best way to adjust the swap is to use Partition Magic?
>
> ?? Just add or subtract a few more partitions with fdisk.
Okay, fdisk can preserve the data? Obviously I will back it up first.
>
>
> > I don't want to go through a whole reinstall of either machine.
>
> ??? Now you have got me puzzled! Are you SURE you know anything about
> system administration? Why would you ever reinstall a machine just in
> order to change a few measly things about it? Edit the ptable to be
> the way you like for your swap.
>
What is this? The first line of my message stated that I don't have enough
experience!!! I don't think asking for a judgement call on potentially
corrupting the partition table on a machine with crucial data on it is
'measly'.
>
> Peter
Thanks (yeah, right) for the help!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Best way to replicate Linux partition?
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:48:52 GMT
Eric wrote:
>
> MH wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > I want to migrate to a new hard drive that I have bought but do not want
> > > to lose any of the additions/customizations I have in my current
> > > installation. What is the best way to do this. I currently am running
> > > Red Hat 6.2. Would dd or cpio be the best way?
> > >
> >
> > Assuming your new HDD is as large or larger than your existing HDD:
> >
> > 1) Install new HDD
> > 2) cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb (assuming hda is current HDD and hdb is new HDD)
>
> use `cp -a` instead
>
> Eric
I would use cp -a -p -R instead. Do a man cp to find out why.
jamess
--
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
-Anonymous
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From: Laurent Duperval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Using a mic on a Thinkpad
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:40:13 GMT
Hi,Has anyone ever used a microphone on a Thinkad? I'm trying to get mine to
work but nothing I do seems to have an effect. When I speak into the mike
and I listen thru headphones at the same time, I can hear my voice perfectly.
But no matter what I do, I can't seem to record voice input correctly. I
thought it was a problem with my microphone but I tried it under Windows and
it records perfectly. Does anyone have an idea what is going on and how to
fix it? I'm on Linux Mandrake 7.1 if that changes anything.Thanks,L
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Swap size / Memory upgrade
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:53:47 GMT
ekk wrote:
>
> Trying to make a judgement call without enough experience -
>
> I just upgraded from 512 RAM to 1 GB. My swap space is 768. Should
> I increase the swap? We do often use all of the RAM available on a
> machine, but we of course try to avoid using the swap.
>
> In the same way, I also downgraded a 1 GB RAM machine to 512 (bad RAM).
> Do I need to lower the swap space?
>
> In both situations disk space is not a concern.
>
> I assume the best way to adjust the swap is to use Partition Magic?
> I don't want to go through a whole reinstall of either machine.
>
> Ken
I have 256 MB RAM and 128 MB swap on my box. It hardly ever uses any of
the swap at all except for programs like Netscape, and then it uses very
little swap. I don't think that you need more than 128 MB of swap when
you have a lot of ram.
jamess
--
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
-Anonymous
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shutdown from a Win PC
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:44:35 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Marco Menardi wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I want to installa a Linux server without monitor and keyboard for
>> my 3 Win PC lan. To shutdown it (saving energy when is not work time,
>> i.e. sunday) I need something that my secretary can run from her Win
>> Desktop. Any idea/solution to give me? I really need it soon!
>> Thanks a lot :)
You can get rrd (remote reboot daemon) from various places.
I can't claim it as being secure, however! But what's wrong with setting
a little .bat program that does ssh remote.org sudo /sbin/shutdown -r now,
and giving sudo rights to execute that command for her without passwd?
Anyway, you won't save any energy by shutting down a machine that doesn't
have a monitor. It doesn't use that much (cpu idles). You'll cause more
damage by increased wear and tear on the components than you save by
shutting it down. At least a factor of 100:1.
Peter
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From: ekk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Swap size / Memory upgrade
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:47:38 -0500
Thanks, Jamess for your advice. The person whose job I inherited told me
that the swap space should be double the amount of RAM for up to 512 MB,
1.5x for 512 - 1024, and 1x for above 1024 MB. I'm not terribly sure why he
thought so much swap was required, but I think he arrived at those ratios
through experience dealing with many different machines and RAM amounts.
The machines he set up are stable and rarely get bogged down, as long as the
users don't push them over the RAM!
Thank you kindly,
Ken
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ekk wrote:
> >
> > Trying to make a judgement call without enough experience -
> >
> > I just upgraded from 512 RAM to 1 GB. My swap space is 768. Should
> > I increase the swap? We do often use all of the RAM available on a
> > machine, but we of course try to avoid using the swap.
> >
> > In the same way, I also downgraded a 1 GB RAM machine to 512 (bad RAM).
> > Do I need to lower the swap space?
> >
> > In both situations disk space is not a concern.
> >
> > I assume the best way to adjust the swap is to use Partition Magic?
> > I don't want to go through a whole reinstall of either machine.
> >
> > Ken
>
> I have 256 MB RAM and 128 MB swap on my box. It hardly ever uses any of
> the swap at all except for programs like Netscape, and then it uses very
> little swap. I don't think that you need more than 128 MB of swap when
> you have a lot of ram.
>
> jamess
> --
> "On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
> it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
>
> -Anonymous
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: To all linux user......
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:28:51 GMT
[Xpost and FollowUp-To: set to col.misc]
"Tina Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Sidenote: This whole thread is drifting into a typical Usenet flamewar
now.
>Once again you have come up with another idiotic fraudulent argument. My
>English is just fine, It's my spelling, I'm from Finland.
Hm, I always thougt that correct spelling is a major part of
handling any language - regardless of the fact whether or not
it was a foreign one. Nevermind.
>But now I live in
>Canada, I can speak in Russian, Finns, French. and little bit English.
>And I
>am not a child, I'm 16, going to 17.
That's just fine, but keep in mind that you're not talking to people
of your age exclusively when posting in any Usenet group. Especially
readers and posters of the groups in the comp.os.* hierarchy will
most likely be much older than you - and probably have a lot of
experience running and administrating computer systems. That's not
giving them the right to flame you for your lack of age - but it
doesn't give you the right to flame them just because they're
not able to help you in "simple words" _because_ of your own
lack of basic understanding.
>I maybe a girl but I can beat the hell
>out you....
Pointless.
>You know, you live in most strange bizarre place or it's just something
>in
>you picking up someone weakness, you say my English is bad, but what
>about
>you huh? You read less and "talk" which eventually become "barking' now
>don'
>t get offensive.
>I stated I CAN'T USE MAKE. I extract folder, Now I know I don't have make
>command and I just downloaded.
Tina, as Peter and others have already pointed out: You shouldn't
really have to do that. From what I have read, you're using a Linux
distribution (which is the correct way, especially for beginners),
and your distribution certainly comes with preconfigured packages
including all the development stuff needed (libraries, compiler,
executables, header files etc.) . Please refer to your distribution's
manual for details on what to select and install. The advice
you're already received has been useful, but depending from your
computer skills and experience (or lack thereof) may or may not
be useful for you at this time.
>Maybe you need to educated yourself and learn HOW TO READ AND THEN
>RESPOND,
>otherwise people will think you are an educated ignorant.
And if you don't stop insulting the readers of the groups you're
posting to, nobody will listen to you anymore.
Michael
--
Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Full-featured, reliable POP-mail client for Linux?
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc,alt.os.linux.suse,alt.os.linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:07:21 GMT
I artikeln <93l3gv$mcm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> I could spend a week trying every MUA in linux.davecentral, but
> reliability would still be a question. So I'm asking for
> recommendations from folks who've been using a program for at least a
> couple of months and who know that it fulfills the above (admittedly
> long and picky) wishlist.
>
> Heartfelt thanks in advance!
>
> Mark S Bilk, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try Balsa - best effort I've seen so far on Linux.
/Mats
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