Linux-Misc Digest #40, Volume #27 Tue, 6 Feb 01 16:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Open Source databases.... (alan simes)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Tukla Ratte)
Re: SuSe won't play audio cds ... ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
email start-up opportunity ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From an ex Microsoft devotee (alan simes)
Developer Kit for Linux on Itanium ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Scanning on Redhat Linux 7.0 (alan simes)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Squid Proxy Server? (Michael Heiming)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Re: From an ex Microsoft devotee (Dave Martel)
Re: Unpacking ISO-images without a CD burner (Alex Yung)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Steve Mading)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Steve Mading)
Re: From an ex Microsoft devotee (Mark Bratcher)
Re: From an ex Microsoft devotee (Michael Heiming)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Mark Bratcher)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Mark Bratcher)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Steve Mading)
Re: PCI: "the same IRQ is used by device" problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Lilo ("Neil West")
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From: alan simes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open Source databases....
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 19:08:44 +0000
"Nils O. Sel�sdal" wrote:
> What open source RDBMS are out there? We have successfully used
> MySQL in some projects, however for our next requirements are diffrent,
> among other
> things we need stored procedures.
>
> What options in opensource/free db's do we have?
You must check out Borlands Interbase product, simply excellent !!!
simes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tukla Ratte)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 19:12:07 GMT
On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:25:42 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Martin
Gregorie wrote:
> On 6 Feb 2001 00:53:58 GMT, Steve Mading
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >:> : There are only 3 positions to take on a proposition
> >:> : 1) Belief that the proposition is true.
> >:> : 2) "I don't know"
> >:> : 3) Belief that the proposition is not true.
> >:>
> >:> : One cannot claim that one is neither (1) nor (2), and still TOTALLY
> >:> : without a belief.
> >:>
> >:> You are right. Too bad for your argument, though, that atheists
> >:> often *do* say (2), and your implication that all atheists say
> >
> >: Then they aren't atheists, they are agnostics.
> >
> >The terms are not mutually exclusive.
>
> Yes they are. From Webster:
>
> Atheist:
>
> : one who denies the existence of God
The theistic bias of this definition is obvious, since it only refers to
the Christian god (based on the capital "g"). This is the definition
Christians tend to use. It is also not very accurate.
Check out the first three Q&A sections here for more:
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
They don't really "clear things up", but they do demonstrate that the
Webster's definition is too narrow.
I think the last three paragraphs in this article
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/4/0,5716,117394+3+109479,00.html?query=atheist
describe the position that John, Steve, Ian, and Ghost in the Machine
are trying to get across. And, again, if you read the whole article,
you see how the Webster's definition is far too limited.
> Agnostic:
>
> : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God)
> is unknown and prob. unknowable;
> broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the
> existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
>
> You cannot deny the existence of God and simultaneously declare that
> His existence or otherwise is unknown without contradicting yourself.
True. Many -- I hesitate to say "most" -- atheists don't do that,
however. Certainly agnostic atheists don't.
Agnosticism is actually orthogonal to theism/atheism, and theists can be
agnostic.
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/3/0,5716,117393+4+109478,00.html?query=atheist
An agnostic atheist doesn't believe that gods exist, but doesn't think
it can can be demonstrated either way.
An agnostic theist does believe that one or more gods exists, but
doesn't think that it can be demonstrated either way.
--
Tukla, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SuSe won't play audio cds ... ?
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:47:45 +0000
Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> ugga!
> i've got SuSE 7.0 + KDE2 here on a machine with an IDE CD ROM drive.
> Now, the problem is that the cd playing software simply refuses to see that
> there is an audio cd in the drive.
> /dev/cdrom does correctly point to /dev/hdb, which is the CD device.
> The software (kscd) is configured to look for that device.
Have you tried something like xmcd? (Works fine for me)
If that doesn't work, are you SURE it's hdb?
Most CDROM drives are put on the secondary IDE interface as master (which is
hdc).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:01:27 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] did eloquently scribble:
>>You are right. Too bad for your argument, though, that atheists
>>often *do* say (2) ["I don't know"],
> Actually, that would be an agnostic.
Not quite...
An Agnostic doesn't know if there's a god, and isn't sure whether or not to
believe in him at all, and may hedge their bets...
An athiest doesn't know or care if there's a god because he doesn't believe
in him/her/it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,linux.jobs
Subject: email start-up opportunity
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:27:11 -0800
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From: alan simes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: From an ex Microsoft devotee
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 19:27:47 +0000
Dear all
I have developed software for Windows (all flavours) for years. Would I
listen to the calls to consider Linux from my trainee programmers? Would
I buggery !
And then I decided to install it for myself on a twin Pentium pro I
happened to have lying around.
All I can say is that I have fallen in love.
Silky smooth tasking, X is simply magnificent, long file names,
fantastic networking etc.
As soon as there are real productivity tools available ie. Visual Studio
for Linux, Microsoft is a whole heap a trouble !!!
Enough of my ranting.
Just wanted to share my new found adoration for
Linux....................
simes
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From: alan simes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Scanning on Redhat Linux 7.0
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 19:30:31 +0000
I have an HP Scanjet 4200C (USB) and loads of patience, can anyone point
in the right direction of getting it working under Linux.
Thanks in advance
simes
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:41:20 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc Tukla Ratte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:25:42 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Martin
> Gregorie wrote:
>> You cannot deny the existence of God and simultaneously declare that
>> His existence or otherwise is unknown without contradicting yourself.
> True. Many -- I hesitate to say "most" -- atheists don't do that,
> however. Certainly agnostic atheists don't.
Not true. It is possible to say that something is definitely not true
(read "proven" for true), and then also say that the question of
existence is unsettled. Compare say, "the continuum hypothesis", with
"the existence of god"
I deny that the continuum hypothesis holds. It is simply not known
whether it holds or not.
You can see that the second phrase amplifies the first, it does not
contradict it. Nor are we forced to say that the continuum hypothesis
holds, or the continuum hypthesis does not hold.
> Agnosticism is actually orthogonal to theism/atheism, and theists can be
> agnostic.
Peter
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:35:57 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Squid Proxy Server?
Tom Edelbrok wrote:
> If you read the squid manual and FAQ (available at www.squid-cache.org) you
> will find that squid does not do ftp. However, squid does do ftp if the ftp
> arrives via http. I'm not quite sure what they mean when they say that the
> ftp has to arrive via http but I can tell you from experience with squid
> that most ftp things work. Some don't. The ones that do work usually have
> about a 30 second time-out, then give you a message box saying "The squid
> proxy can only get this ftp stuff as read-only. Are you sure you want to
> proceed?". Then you say "yeah, ok". Then you can download it fine.
>
> Tom
Hello,
could you please provide some evidence that squid does not do ftp, URL?
on my personal home machine:
locate squid |grep ftp
/usr/local/squid-2.3.STABLE2/src/ftp.c
usr/local/squid-2.3.STABLE2/src/ftp.o
http://www.squid-cache.org/
Squid supports...
proxying and caching of HTTP, FTP, and other
URL's
proxying for SSL
cache hierarchies
ICP, HTCP, CARP, Cache Digests
transparent caching
WCCP (Squid v2.3)
extensive access controls
HTTP server acceleration
SNMP
caching of DNS lookups
>
>
> Eric Chow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:95melg$r2p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I use my Linux to dialup to ISP. And I setup a Squid proxy server in
> > Linux, it can allow all other macahines in the LAN connect to the
> > Internet(if set using the proxy in the browser).
> >
> > But, is it possible to allow those machines in the LAN using Telnet,
> > FTP or other socket ?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com
> > http://www.deja.com/
Best regards,
Michael Heiming
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:02:03 -0000
On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 19:12:07 GMT, Tukla Ratte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:25:42 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Martin
>Gregorie wrote:
>
>> On 6 Feb 2001 00:53:58 GMT, Steve Mading
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[deletia]
>http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/3/0,5716,117393+4+109478,00.html?query=atheist
>
>An agnostic atheist doesn't believe that gods exist, but doesn't think
>it can can be demonstrated either way.
>
>An agnostic theist does believe that one or more gods exists, but
>doesn't think that it can be demonstrated either way.
[deletia]
It all depends on what your general worldview is and where you
think the burden of proof lies. Acknowledging the fact that
there is no good disproof of the devine does not automatically
make one an agnostic. That doesn't put you "on the fence". That
just means that there is nothing to "push you from one side to
the other".
--
The ability to type
./configure
make
make install
does not constitute programming skill. |||
/ | \
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: From an ex Microsoft devotee
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:56:35 -0700
On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 19:27:47 +0000, alan simes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>As soon as there are real productivity tools available ie. Visual Studio
>for Linux, Microsoft is a whole heap a trouble !!!
They're already available, you just have to look around a little.
Besides the standard open-source tools like kdevelop and advanced
editors (almost IDE's) like XEmacs, there are some darned nice
commercial tools out there that are now free, or free for educational
and home use. Just a few links I happen to have handy:
TclPro
<http://dev.scriptics.com/software/tclpro/>
Sniff, revewed at:
<http://mercury.chem.pitt.edu/~tiho/LinuxFocus/English/March2000/article140.shtml>
A search for linux development tools will turn up many, many more.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Yung)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Unpacking ISO-images without a CD burner
Date: 6 Feb 2001 20:03:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is possible if you have access to a Linux machine. You can mount
the ISO file to a loopback device which allows you to inspect the
content of the ISO file and copy out whatever you want. I was a
student once. I can certainly understand if you don't want to buy
from cheapbytes.
If you switch to the Debian distribution, your life will be a lot
easier. You only need to download 4 files to complete your
installation. This installation gives you a basic functioning Linux.
You will download whatever you need based on what software you want to
install down the road.
Richard Snow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: >
: > I try to download and install Linux on my computer, but I haven't got a CD
: > burner.
: > The only download methods I can find on the net is iso-images or all the
: > individual files from FTP, which would take me days to download.
: > So I'm wondering if there's any way to unpack or convert the ISO-images to
: > individual files without having to burn a CD.
: > Or if anyone know of a site to download SuSE Linux 7 as a ZIP or similar
: > archive file.
: > All help appreciated, and please no answers like "buy a CD burner".
: >
: > Audun
: try www.cheapbytes.com and order a cd shipped to you. ONly a few
: dollars plus shipping.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 6 Feb 2001 20:12:06 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tukla Ratte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: An agnostic atheist doesn't believe that gods exist, but doesn't think
: it can can be demonstrated either way.
This describes my position perfectly. I don't pretend to be able to
demonstrate the non-existance of gods. Gods are defined in such ways
that they are too slippery to disprove. But I also think it is
extremely dishonest to put the burden of proof on the atheist, by
Occam's Razor. The atheist isn't positiing the existance of any
extra unnecessary entities like the theist is.
Skepticism of the claim that gods exist is the only sane default.
Why? Because disproof would be impossible even if the atheist
was correct, whereas proof might be possible for certain types of
gods if the theist is correct. (You can't *prove* that something
does not exist unless it is defined in a self-contradictory fashion.
{some alleged gods are, but others are not}. No matter how hard you
look, the alleged thing could be somewhere or somewhen you didn't
look yet.)
(Thanks for the post, Tukla. Saved me a lot of time since you covered
everything I was about to say.)
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 6 Feb 2001 20:14:50 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:95fl3c$dju$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Dan Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : Could you please take this conversation private or at least to
:> : a more appropriate newsgroup. While I believe God advocates Linux
:> : (Bill Gates being the antiChrist)
: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
:> : are not appropriate forums for this discussion.
:>
:> When insults are made in public, the responses must be equally public.
: Must the responses be made ad nauseum, though?
: This sort of debate has been going on for as long as humanity and it sure
: as hell isn't going to be solved in COLA...We can't even agree on something
: so simple as a distro around here!
This is not an argument over whether or not atheists are correct.
It is an argument over who the label "atheist" applies to. Aaron
is picking a definition that atheists themselves don't agree with,
and then using that definition to make claims about what atheists
believe. That's a classic strawman fallacy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: From an ex Microsoft devotee
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:17:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, alan simes wrote:
>Dear all
>
>I have developed software for Windows (all flavours) for years. Would I
>listen to the calls to consider Linux from my trainee programmers? Would
>I buggery !
>
>And then I decided to install it for myself on a twin Pentium pro I
>happened to have lying around.
>
>All I can say is that I have fallen in love.
>
>Silky smooth tasking, X is simply magnificent, long file names,
>fantastic networking etc.
>
>As soon as there are real productivity tools available ie. Visual Studio
>for Linux, Microsoft is a whole heap a trouble !!!
>
>Enough of my ranting.
>
>Just wanted to share my new found adoration for
>Linux....................
>
You are obviously a man of class, discernment, and intelligence. :-)
Borland (er... Inprise) is working on a project called Kylix, which
is their Delphi environment placed on Linux. I would expect that
C++Builder would follow not long after that.
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply, remove both underscores (_) from my email address
===========================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:58:56 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: From an ex Microsoft devotee
alan simes wrote:
> Dear all
>
> I have developed software for Windows (all flavours) for years. Would I
> listen to the calls to consider Linux from my trainee programmers? Would
> I buggery !
>
> And then I decided to install it for myself on a twin Pentium pro I
> happened to have lying around.
>
> All I can say is that I have fallen in love.
>
> Silky smooth tasking, X is simply magnificent, long file names,
> fantastic networking etc.
>
> As soon as there are real productivity tools available ie. Visual Studio
> for Linux, Microsoft is a whole heap a trouble !!!
ehh..I don't know if you want to start a flame war here, but this Visual
Studio crap, a productivity tool?
You have a complete development and server package, on your distro, there
are many things to
check out on those CDs, for everything else there is feshmeat or google,
who mostly can
find something...Otherwise you can program it yourself or change something
exsisting to your needs...:-)
As someone else wrote somewhere on comp.os.linux.? short time ago (I'd
given him some mod points on /. ....:)) )
This M$ stuff just luls you in some kind of knowledge....
>
>
> Enough of my ranting.
>
> Just wanted to share my new found adoration for
> Linux....................
>
> simes
Best regards
Michael Heiming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:25:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc Tukla Ratte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:25:42 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Martin
>> Gregorie wrote:
>>> You cannot deny the existence of God and simultaneously declare that
>>> His existence or otherwise is unknown without contradicting yourself.
>
>> True. Many -- I hesitate to say "most" -- atheists don't do that,
>> however. Certainly agnostic atheists don't.
>
>Not true. It is possible to say that something is definitely not true
>(read "proven" for true), and then also say that the question of
>existence is unsettled. Compare say, "the continuum hypothesis", with
>"the existence of god"
>
> I deny that the continuum hypothesis holds. It is simply not known
> whether it holds or not.
>
>You can see that the second phrase amplifies the first, it does not
>contradict it.
I think there is no contradiction in your example because of the way
you worded it. The two sentences refer to different subjects. The
first sentence makes a declaration about what "I" believe, whereas the
second talks about what is believed by people in general.
If you kept it consistent, you would have:
I deny that the continuum hypothesis holds. I simply don't know
whether it holds or not.
Sounds more like a person who is very confused about what they really
believe (ie, the sentences aren't really consistent).
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply, remove both underscores (_) from my email address
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:26:58 GMT
Then there was the "agnostic dyslexic insomniac" who used to lay awake
all night wonding if there really was a dog.
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply, remove both underscores (_) from my email address
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 6 Feb 2001 20:34:05 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:957i20$h7q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : Steve Ackman wrote:
:> :>
:> :> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:11:37 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> :> >John Hasler wrote:
:> :> >
:> :> >> Edward Rosten writes:
:> :> >> > Christian morals were also invented by people.
:> :> >>
:> :> >> And the US was _not_ founded on "Christian beliefs".
:> :> >
:> :> >You're splitting hairs -
:> :> >
:> :> >There was a strong deist influence, at the very least.
:> :>
:> :> Jefferson was a Deist, yet was branded an Atheist by his
:> :> Christian detractors. Deism is a far cry from Christianity.
:> :>
:>
:> : Deism is a belief in the existance of God.
:>
:> One that has nothing to do with Christianity. Which is kind of
:> important considering what this subthread is about.
: It can. It's the belief in A god. Which isn't specified. It could be Allah,
: Krishna, YAHWE (However that's spelled)....
The word "Deism" has two different meanings. You are using its more
generic meaning - some sort of god worship. But in the context
here we were using its more narrow meaning - referring to the very
specific belief that some held during the Enlightenment era, that
God existed to create the universe, but he no longer meddles in
its workings anymore today. This meaning is most certainly *not*
compatable with the religions you mention.
:>
:> : Atheism is a belief in the non-existance of God.
:>
:> No it isn't. It's the lack of the belief that god does exist.
:> To call this a belief rather than simple default skepticism is
:> to assume that god existing is the default, which is circular.
: Yes it is...
: What you're refering to is called agnostism.
No. It *overlaps with* agnosticism. Consider: Someone who
*does* have the belief that god is nonexistant would also
fit under the definition "lacks the belief that god exists".
Also consider: Someone who believes god exists, but also
says that he does not really *KNOW* it for sure, and it's
just a feeling, would be an agnostic and yet still believe in
God. Agnosticism is about knowlege, not belief.
Agnosticism and atheism are overlapping groups. People keep trying
to make the picture simpler than it really is by thinking everyone
is divided into three mutually exclusive groups: thests, atheists,
and agnostics. But unfortunately it just isn't that simple. (For
the most part, the only difference between atheists and theists is
that while atheists doubt N gods exist, theists doubt N-1 gods
exist. (A Christian would be just as atheistic with respect to
Allah, Zues, Zarathustra, and so on, as an atheist is.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PCI: "the same IRQ is used by device" problem
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:45:27 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip hardware info]
> Any suggestions how to get the PCI working? Thanks.
Your system is probably using ACPI. I think it's a power saving system
that runs everything on one IRQ as part of its power saving features.
(How it works beats the hell outta me.) You should be able to disable ACPI
in the BIOS, or at least set it to NOT use a PNP-OS. I had this same
problem on my KT7, disabling PNP os worked for me.
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From: "Neil West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lilo
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:52:04 -0500
When trying to run lilo -v -t I get the error "device 0x0304 exceeds 1024
cylinder limit". After running the "df" command I get the following output:
Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 3534096 1672048 1682524 50% /
/dev/hda2 15554 2464 12287 17% /boot
/dev/hda6 3534096 1779860 1574712 54% /home
/dev/fd0 1412 1084 256 81% /mnt/floppy
The /boot partition is clearly under the 16 meg limit. My theory is that
because it does not occurr first on the drive, it crosses over the 1024
cylinder limit. THanks in advance for all of your help.
Neil West
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