Linux-Misc Digest #917, Volume #27 Mon, 21 May 01 16:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: RPM hell ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Network install RH7.1 and Mandrake8.0 (DaveDiego)
Re: RPM hell (Andr�)
Redhat 7.1 cablemodem on eth0 and ppp (Mitch)
xosview ("Shirish")
HP-Deskjet 960c?? (Ish Rattan)
Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file? (James Knott)
Re: Advantage of UltraDMA100 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
It's the hard drive! was Re: pppd works with one comp, not the other
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sharing net connection w/o LRP (Angry Bob)
Re: RPM hell ("Peter T. Breuer")
split or compress big file into floppies (Jinsong Liang)
Re: split or compress big file into floppies (Grant Edwards)
Re: split or compress big file into floppies ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: How to tell mkisofs to take file/dir names literally? (Videoman)
Re: apache & 403 error messages (SideShowJohn)
Re: error on compiling qt-2.3.0 (Goophy)
Re: Wierdest Damn Problem Regarding Linux Login ("Stefan Viljoen")
Re: Deleting a partition On Windows Me... ("Stefan Viljoen")
GNOME "dropping" applets off taskbar? ("Stefan Viljoen")
Re: split or compress big file into floppies (Michael Heiming)
Re: RPM hell (Christian Rose)
Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux-users' daft mentality (Michael Heiming)
Re: Linux-users' daft mentality (Yvan Loranger)
Re: RPM hell (Johan Kullstam)
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM hell
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:21:32 +0200
Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christian Rose"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> and what praytell would RPM need in GLIBC_2.2.3 that isn't in 2.1.1?
> From my perspective it's a pain in the ass.
Probably nothing, but the package maintainer wasn't prepared to test.
So if you wanna test, go ahead and use --nodeps. BTW .. I doubt if it
will work. Symbol versioning in libraries probably means that packages
compiled against 2.2.3 won't load 2.1.1 libraries. Get yourself
a 2.1.1 package, or get the src.rpm and recompile it against your
environment.
I've been doing the same thing for my libc5 based distro for years.
There are very few things I can't port.
> enough. Yeah, RPM does suck. I see dependency problems so much with RPM
> it's not funny, whether its RPM itself or a another program in RPM
> format.
Get that out of your head: those are _facts_, not "dependency
problems". rpm is telling you of those facts. You can now go ahead and
make a sensible intelligent decision what to do about it.
Jeez .. I just had to compile perl 5.6 in order to update man-db, which
required a new debconf, which required changes in dpkg and debhelper,
which needed sgmltools, which needed docbook, which needed stuff which
needed tk/tcl 8.0 (not the 8.2 I had installed), and it took me a good
six hours to sort it out ... I easily filled my 500MB /tmp partition
with compiles.
Peter
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From: DaveDiego <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Network install RH7.1 and Mandrake8.0
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:50:31 GMT
Jonathan G. Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>DaveDiego wrote:
>>
>> I'm attempting to network install Mandrake8 and RH7.1 on a CDrom less
>> PC. I havnt had any problems in the past, but both distributions fail to
>> load my 3C509 NIC.
>If it's a 3c509B, there is a problem with Linux when plug-n-play is
>enabled. You can download software from 3COM, runnable from MS-DOS, that
>allows you to disable the PnP. However, if the card worked with another
>Linux distribution, you should probably disregard what I've said.
Ya, its working fine right now in Mandrake7 and I isntalled RH7.0 this
weekend. So my NIC is fine.
I thought I read that there was a bug in the driver and the latest driver
should be installed after an installation. Unfortunetly, I can't get past
the network install to update the driver. A bit of a catch22 :)
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From: Andr� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM hell
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:58:45 -0300
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:
>which needed sgmltools, which needed docbook, which needed stuff which
>needed tk/tcl 8.0 (not the 8.2 I had installed), and it took me a good
>six hours to sort it out ... I easily filled my 500MB /tmp partition
>with compiles.
If you have version 8.2 and need 8.0, can't you just link to the files
to the 8.2 version?
--
� Andr�
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mitch)
Subject: Redhat 7.1 cablemodem on eth0 and ppp
Date: 21 May 2001 09:57:20 -0700
I run rh 7.1 on a tosh 210ct laptop with a xircom realport pcmcia
card.
At home I use a home network with a win2ks gateway running on IP
10.0.0.1.
This one routes my internet requests of my laptop to my cable modem,
and it runs great.
but when I am at another place ( work, customer) i want to use the
integrated modem. It dials, and it connects and all, but
unfortunately, it keeps using the gateway of the network card to get
me what I want, and since I dont have it connected at that time, it's
not working.
I rather have all as easy as possible, without having to start scripts
before dialing, and I also wanna have my network active as well.
any sugestions?
(I run windowmaker and YAWMPPP)
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From: "Shirish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xosview
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:51:59 -0700
Has anyone used xosview, specifically the disk usage meter. I am trying to
figure out if the disk throughput reported is the total of all the disks
(SCSI's, IDE's) on your server or an average per disk. Is there any other
tool to read disk throughput? Any help's appreciated. thanks,
-s
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From: Ish Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HP-Deskjet 960c??
Date: 21 May 2001 13:09:56 -0500
Mandrake-8.0 system, just added hp-desjet-960cse printer.
It is detected as Winbond printer? Is it a "windows" printer?
I am having difficulty printing to it.
- ishwar
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From: James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file?
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:12:50 GMT
Mladen Gogala wrote:
>
> Voila! Mkisofs is installed into /usr/local/bin.
> Make sure that you do not burn copyrighted music to your CDs as it is
> bad for your soul and for the recording industry profits.
FWIW, Canadians can now legally copy copyrighted music, for their own
use. The copyright owners get reimbersed through a levy the government
slapped on blank CDs, audio cassettes etc.
--
Replies sent via e-mail to this address will be promptly ignored.
To reply, replace everything to the left of "@" with "james.knott".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Advantage of UltraDMA100
Date: 21 May 2001 03:18:50 -0700
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I just upgraded my motherboard, processor, etc... and reloaded linux. I
> thought I had attached my drives to the UltraDMA100 controller but I did
> not, they are on the standard IDE controller. So now I'm wondering, is
> it worth it to move my drives over to the UltraDMA100 controller? I have
> a my system drive (ultraDMA33) and two data drives (both UltraDMA66).
> Will I notice a performance increase?
>
> A followup to the above; I tried to move the drives over to the DMA100
> controller but the system stopped on the drive detection part of the
> bootup (it found linux on what I assume was /dev/hde). Is LILO the only
> thing I need to modify?
>
...<snip>...
Is ultra DMA 100 the same as ATA 100? I posted a message here about
not being able to get PPPD to work on a 2nd computer I had built up.
I'm going to follow up my post soon, but, one thing I didn't mention
there was that my working computer was all SCSI and the one that failed
had an ATA 100 disk drive. As a desperate, last experiment, I temporarily
moved over a SCSI drive to that system and removed the ATA 100 drive
and then pppd was able to make a stable, regular connection. There's been
other flakiness. The MBR seems fragile, with LILO sometimes having a
hard time. Also, I tried installing redhat 6.2 and for some reason it
wouldn't boot, kernel panic, though slackware 7.1 and SuSe 6.3 installed
OK. Very strange.
--
Replace ragwind.localdomain with rahul for a working email address
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: It's the hard drive! was Re: pppd works with one comp, not the other
Date: 21 May 2001 03:32:58 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yet another followup to my own post.
...<snip>...
> I recently put together a new computer, as a kind of backup.
> I call it bluemouth and it has an Abit KT7 motherboard with a 700 Mhz AMD
> Duron CPU. My main computer, ragwind, has an Asus A7V motherboard and
> an AMD Thunderbird CPU. Both have slackware 7.1 linux installed.
>
> Everything works normally on bluemouth except one thing. I can't seem
> to get a PPP connection going to the outside world. I use the same
> external modem and cable, and the same scripts. The modem dials out,
> logs in, sends the password, and then disconnects on bluemouth.
>
...<snip>...
One other difference between the two systems is that my main, working
system, was all SCSI (though I recently added an IDE CD-R drive).
The new system has an ATA 100-IDE disk drive. One last desperate
experiment was to disconnect that drive and put in a SCSI drive (and
reinstall, blah blah bah!). Somewhat to my surprise, when I tried out
PPP in that config, it worked! It's very mysterious. If the hard drive
was flaky, one would expect sound, or X-Windows, or ethernet, or some
other systems to not work, but they're fine. One other thing that is
kinda flaky about that drive is that the master boot record seems fragile.
Lilo sometimes has trouble coming up. Also, while I was able to install
slackware and suse OK in my various experiments, I couldn't install
redhat 6.2. Well, it installed but there was a kernel panic anytime it
tried to boot. Have I got a flaky drive or is it something about ATA 100?
--
Replace ragwind.localdomain with rahul for a working email address
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From: Angry Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sharing net connection w/o LRP
Date: 21 May 2001 17:44:02 GMT
What would you like to read? [comp.os.linux.setup or *?]
This is a Pierre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scroll! it says:
> You can use IP masquerade. I used it to give internet access to several
> machines.
> You only need to run three lines on the linux box.
> You can find the 3 commands by looking for "ip masquerade"
> in Linux HOWTO.
This is what I would suggest as well. do a minimal install in a high
security mode on the linux distro you are most familiar with. make sure
you close all your ports, try nmaping it from an external location.
--
AngryBob Systems Consultant - http://www.trellisinc.com
It is by caffine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java
that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes
a warning, it is by caffine alone I set my mind in motion. -- unknown
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM hell
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:34:19 +0200
Andr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:
>>which needed sgmltools, which needed docbook, which needed stuff which
>>needed tk/tcl 8.0 (not the 8.2 I had installed), and it took me a good
>>six hours to sort it out ... I easily filled my 500MB /tmp partition
>>with compiles.
> If you have version 8.2 and need 8.0, can't you just link to the files
> to the 8.2 version?
It's not that simple .. the headers of some packages put themselves in
common sites, and the configure scripts often pick the wrong one
of several alternatives. So I have to have approximately similar setup
to the authors (or dissimulate that I have) at least while I compile.
I later reestablsh the operating norm.
But yes, for the tk/tcl wars, it probably suffices to do some linking
(I am a suvivor from the tk/tcl 4.0/7.0 days, so I have plenty of
experience ..)
Peter
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Subject: split or compress big file into floppies
From: Jinsong Liang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:43:01 -0600
Hi all,
How can I split or compress a big file into several floppies? I have
searched FAQ but get no answer.
Thank you very much.
Leo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: split or compress big file into floppies
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:07:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jinsong Liang wrote:
>How can I split or compress a big file into several floppies? I have
>searched FAQ but get no answer.
1) You can use tar with the -M option.
2) You can use "split", but you'll need to wrap
it in shellscript to handle the floppy part.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I am having FUN... I
at wonder if it's NET FUN or
visi.com GROSS FUN?
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: split or compress big file into floppies
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:17:32 +0200
Jinsong Liang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How can I split or compress a big file into several floppies? I have
man split
man -k compress
> searched FAQ but get no answer.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Videoman)
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.periphs.cdr
Subject: Re: How to tell mkisofs to take file/dir names literally?
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:39:44 GMT
On Mon, 21 May 2001 23:15:44 +1000, Stuart Summerville
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm trying to store some files/dirs onto CDR from a filesystem that
>is accessed by windas boxes via samba. mkisofs (1.13, under Linux) is
>aborting on some files that contain ";"s. They are generated by web
>clients saving loaded pages to disk, via multiple files. eg.
>
>./'support_anchor;pg=support_anchor;cat=support;sz=120x60;ord=10492_files/'
>
>How do I tell mkisofs to take these names literally? Unix by itself
>doesn't like them unless I enclose the whole name in single quotes, so
>I'm hoping mkisofs can be made to do the same, although I'm not sure
>if this is an ISO9660/RockRidge/Joliet (all of these are enabled for
>the burn) limitation, or just mkisofs. Taking out the RockRidge and/or
>Joliet support switch doesn't fix the problem either.
>
>In order to maximise ineteroperability, I'm using the following
>mkisofs switches: -iso-level 3 -T -J -D -R -U.
>
>I'm really not keen on tarring/zipping or excluding the files/dirs
>before burning.
>
>TIA, sTu.
I don't know if you know this or not, but the standard ISO9660
filesystem actually includes ';' as a seperator between the
filename/extension, and the file version number. (VMS had these as
well.) Most CDFS drivers for DOS/Windows OSes don't support the
version number, and most mastering software (I guess) simply sets the
version number to '1' when burning the files.
I'm just guessing, but I suspect that mkisofs is attempting to use the
';' seperator to break down the string into filename/extension and
version number, and of course, those strings are not valid version
numbers.
I'm still not quite sure of the application you are attempting to use
those strings as filenames for.
(Although, I have been working on a bit of a OS skunkworks project
that would probably accomodate what you might be looking for, however
there is no estimated completion date at this time.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SideShowJohn)
Subject: Re: apache & 403 error messages
Date: 21 May 2001 11:59:13 -0700
Thanks, David. I will be taking care of that tonight...by removing the
info from the httpd.conf, b/c I do not want any listing of files.
ciao
john
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt) wrote in message
news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On 20 May 2001 23:43:57 -0700, SideShowJohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have apache running on linux rh7.0, and it is the simplest of set
> > ups.
> > My question is this:
> >
> > when I type in my tld, followed by any number of folders
> >
> > example --> www.domain.com/test/
> >
> > what appears is a list of everything in /test/...images, htm files,
> > etc....how do I put an end to this, so that a fancy 'HTTP Error 403 -
> > Forbidden' error page shows instead?
>
> Either remove the Indexing from Options for that Directory or Location
> tree in the httpd.conf or put in index.html in directories you don't want
> indexed. You can set a list of default index files with DirectoryIndex
> (space separated list).
>
> If the docs are not on your computer, see http://www.apache.org/
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: error on compiling qt-2.3.0
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goophy)
Date: 21 May 2001 19:09:05 GMT
you're right
it works if i turn off the xft feature...
but I want to use it.
which libraries and which version do i need to compile it?
--
*** email not active ***
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From: "Stefan Viljoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wierdest Damn Problem Regarding Linux Login
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:04:11 +0200
Steve Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Greetings everyone ....
>
> Here is the issue ... I came in this morning and attempted to
>
> login to my linux (2.2.14-5.0..Red Hat 6.2 (Zoot)) system via
> BUT NO LOGIN prompt!!!!
Hmm - if it helps any (and I doubt if it does!) I got this behaviour when
attempting to recover from a backup on a tape and accidentally overwriting
the /proc directory ... stupid, I know, but I got this type of behaviour
when the whole system hanged and I had to take it down via the reset button.
Maybe the part of the disk containing /proc got damaged...? You might still
be able to ftp then, to parts not damaged / corrupted?
Stefan Viljoen
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From: "Stefan Viljoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Deleting a partition On Windows Me...
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:14:37 +0200
Amy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I just recently tried installing linux on my computer, and I partitioned
> my hard drive.
> My computer messed up after I installed linux so I reinstalled Windows ME
> and formatted my hard drive and everything, I thought it all would be the
> way it first was, now I notice instead of having a 20 GB hard drive it is
> now only 11 GB I have a feeling it has something to do with the partition.
> Can anyone tell me how to get rid of it so I can have my full hard drive
> again? It would be preffered if it didn't erase any of my Data, Thank
> you :)
I recently did something like this. I've got an old 6.4 Gig Seagate - I
formatted it under Win, but it came out as 4.6 instead of 6.4 gigabytes. I
then tried fdisk, but it refused to delete the 2.4 gig partition where my
Linux was sitting. The solution was to use my RedHat startup CD, boot from
that, then use Disk Druid to delete *all* partitions on the disk. I then
booted from my Windows floppy, cranked up fdisk, made one 6.4 gig DOS
partition, formatted it fully as a 6.4 gig partition, installed Windows,
then used fips etc. etc. to get Linux back on.
Oh yeah - I did fdisk /mbr to remove Lilo before all of this.
Hope this helps!
Stefan Viljoen
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From: "Stefan Viljoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GNOME "dropping" applets off taskbar?
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:19:15 +0200
Hi
For some reason I cannot fathom, applets keep "dropping" off the GNOME
taskbar when exiting and then later entering Xwindows. By "dropping" I mean
that an applet is suddenly a window that is in the upper left corner of the
desktop, instead of a taskbar applet like it was at last Xwindows shutdown.
Any ideas why this is happening??
Thanks!
Stefan
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:24:45 +0200
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: split or compress big file into floppies
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> Jinsong Liang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How can I split or compress a big file into several floppies? I have
>
> man split
>
> man -k compress
man -k compress | wc -l
64
Wow, that's a lot, sure I've all man pages installed, you never
know...:-)
The OP should however concentrate on bzip2/bunzip2 and gzip/gunzip.
Regards
Michael Heiming
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM hell
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:23:48 +0200
Glitch wrote:
> >> Which means i have to upgrade my version of libc if i want to fucking
> >> use RPM
> >
> > Tough, eh? Lots of packages have dependencies. You can't blame rpm for
> > having dependencies and requiring a non-ancient glibc.
>
> and what praytell would RPM need in GLIBC_2.2.3 that isn't in 2.1.1?
> From my perspective it's a pain in the ass.
New features are one thing. Incompabilities are another.
> >> Next time someone recommends RPM i'm going to commit them. I'm also
> >> going to remove it from my system as it's (happy Peter?) nothing but a
> >> piece of shit. Tarballs work just fine for me.
> >
> > Oh, so you didn't manage to install it on your system because of an old
> > glibc, and hence rpm must suck. Brilliant.
>
> if u want to call it old. I call it pretty new but obviously not new
> enough. Yeah, RPM does suck. I see dependency problems so much with RPM
> it's not funny, whether its RPM itself or a another program in RPM
> format.
Guess what? The dependencies are there for a reason.
If it did not report an unfulfilled and specified dependency it would
broken, but if it reports an unfulfilled dependency it just works as
intended.
> >> All i wanted was to install Opera, which needed libjpeg, which needed a
> >> certain version of RPM so it could be installed, which needed extra
> >> libs installed, which needed a newer version of glibc.....pretty soon i
> >> won't be surprised if i have to upgrade my whole damn kernel.
> >
> > If you have an old unupdated distro, you can get nasty dependency
> > surprises when you suddenly try to install newer stuff. If you don't
> > like that, get a newer version of your distro and update. The world
> > moves on, you can't blame the world for that.
>
> shouldn't have to do all that in order to complete the initial goal of
> installing and using a new browser.
Then complain to the Opera folks that you want a (huge) rpm package of
their browser with everything statically compiled (and hence a minimum
of dependencies).
Don't complain about rpm working as it is intended to do.
> Did I have to do ANY of this stuff
> with Windows? no, I ran setup.exe and then ran Opera from my Start menu.
> Process was done within 5 min. So tell me, why does linux make u do all
> this stuff to run a browser? And don't say linux is the kernel.
There is no such thing as "why does Linux make me do this to install
this and that piece of software". That process can be vastly different
between different Linux distributions and versions. On some it's easier
to install, on others it's more difficult. Some are just plain outdated,
and would require significant tweaking to install a recent web browser
package like Opera.
You haven't yet mentioned anything about what Linux distribution and
what version you're trying this on. The only thing I've heard so far is
complaints about rpm when it appearantly works exactly as it is supposed
to do.
Christian
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file?
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:34:22 +0100
> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>>
>> Voila! Mkisofs is installed into /usr/local/bin. Make sure that you do
>> not burn copyrighted music to your CDs as it is bad for your soul and
>> for the recording industry profits.
>
> FWIW, Canadians can now legally copy copyrighted music, for their own
> use.
> The copyright owners get reimbersed through a levy the government
> slapped
> on blank CDs, audio cassettes etc.
That's appauling. People should not have to pay a levy for backups and
people should not pay a levy on data CDs.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:45:00 +0200
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux-users' daft mentality
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The post below is typical of Linux-users' 'talk'.
> I guess the writer is advising:
> " search in the idle/usr/src/linux/.config file for the 'idle' string ".
>
> Why do computer users either want M$-cartoon-clicking or detailed
> key-stroke-lists ?
>
> Can't you think/plan/communicate at the level of:
> "phone John to find out when he can meet Mary, and notify her to
> expect him"; instead of: "dial XYZ and say bla.bla.....".
>
> The midnight commander (mc) is all that makes linux tolerable for me.
> {my prefered OS is oberon: much faster & 1% of the size, superior interface).
> With mc (cloned from the long established [proven] DOS-based Norton
> commander; mc has improved on NC), I don't WANT or need to know the
> syntax for grepping, changing file/{dir never done this ?} permission .....
You have to remember Linux is an UNIX OS with multi-user capabilities,
you may
not have many needs for this feature, others have.
Sure you can do what you describe today with help from KDE/Gnome/mc ,
but what looks difficult to you, may be very useful for others.
Linux is all about choice, use the tools you like and just let the
others use the ones they prefer.
Perhaps, you will discover one day, that there are situations
where a single line in bash could save you 10 m or even 10 h
clicking around like crazy or hacking around in mc.
> moving, copying, listing ....searching-for-file name(s)/contents ..... etc.
>
> Syntax of Unix commands are as arbitrary as John's phone number, and
> don't qualify to occupy creative human minds.
[SNIP]
Good luck
Michael Heiming
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UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
Subject: Re: Linux-users' daft mentality
Date: 21 May 2001 19:44:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
"Wayne Osborn" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
>
> $ cat message_from_bora | grep 'dribble' | wc -w
> 167
unfortunately you're just helping him prove his point :-(
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Merci........Yvan Pour le plein air: Club Vertige
http://www.ncf.ca/vertige
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Subject: Re: RPM hell
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 21 May 2001 15:48:52 -0400
"Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In trying to run rpm2cpio to get around a previous problem with RPM im
> told i dont have some libs installed (even though I would have thought
> that the rpm of RPM4.0.2 that I downloaded would have installed them,
> wouldnt u?) Anyway, in the process of trying to install the libs by
> using RPM i'm told i dont have glibc_2.1.3, i have 2.1.1 instead.
> Which means i have to upgrade my version of libc if i want to fucking use RPM
> Next time someone recommends RPM i'm going to commit them. I'm also going
> to remove it from my system as it's (happy Peter?) nothing but a piece of
> shit. Tarballs work just fine for me.
did you ever try source rpms?
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J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
sysengr
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