Hello, On 5 March 2015 at 18:35, Henrik Nordström <[email protected]> wrote: > ons 2015-03-04 klockan 17:41 +0000 skrev Manuel Braga: > >> What we get? Just indifference that the reverse engineering effort even >> exists. > > Sorry you get this impression. > > I know I have been silent, but that's mostly because video is not > something I am interested in, and especially not Allwinners binary take > on it. But it does not mean that I am indifferent to your effort, not at > all, to me the documentation of the CedarX hardware and proof of concept > software was and is very important, even if far from feature complete. >
It WorksForMe(tm). I can play video with mplayer which is how I use video most of the time even on systems with multiple choices of a media player. And with opensource drivers which I can expect to continue working as long as sunxi hardware has any use. Thanks for that. Yes, it is a gross hack. But for more progress the other parts to which the VE engine is to be hooked have to be ready - like the KMS driver. Technically one can be writing a VE driver without a KMS driver which is then just plugged in ... and you can see all the bugs then. On 4 March 2015 at 14:10, Luc Verhaegen <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 02:31:41PM +0200, Simos Xenitellis wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Luc Verhaegen <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:55:15AM +0100, Luc Verhaegen wrote: >> ... >> > >> > So now there is a LICENSE file stating that the code in >> > https://github.com/allwinner-zh/media-codec is LGPL? >> > >> > So Allwinner believes that by sticking the LGPL on a _binary_ solves all >> > the problems? Just like it seems to believe that removing all binaries >> > from a kernel tree solves all problems with the GPL? >> > >> > Really? >> > >> > This is simply ridiculous. >> > >> >> This guy is so toxic. Apparently it's an attitude style to be >> permanently negative. >> You give him caviar and he complains that it's black. >> Or a VIN ROMANEE CONTI 1955 and he complains that it's too old. >> >> I do not know whether there will be more commits to that repo. >> Just in case there are, a typical person would refrain from making >> such comments. >> >> Simos > > Simos, > > I am corrosive and bitter, but perhaps i am not the toxic one here. Corrosive and bitter is enough to drive off new users which can potentially become new contributors. Maybe you don't need new community members and are fine with writing a KMS driver in a year or two that nobody but you ever uses. But linux-sunxi needs new members to continue as a community and you have been repeatedly seen driving people off. While your arguments might be technically correct you fail to deliver them politely, or even acceptably in many cases. > > All we ever see you do is trash me. You have written no code, you have > not contributed to the wiki, you only now spend some time on irc to try > to clean up your image. You started calling for banishing me, while > trying to instigate a fork, almost as soon as you got here. And you try > to post about every little positive thing that allwinner does (while > allwinner ignores its hard legal responsibilities), to try to take > credit for them and to try artificially gain any form of standing here. > > Perhaps you and Allwinner do not realize this. But linux-sunxi does not > need Allwinner, Allwinner needs linux-sunxi. What linux-sunxi requires Yeah, sure. It's true that allwinner has used the work done by sunxi community in the past for their business. And it has provided some code and documentetion. And it has not provided some other code and other documentation which the sunxi community needs to continue the same work. But there is no hard requirement for allwinner to cooperate with linux-sunxi. They can hire a developer to do the work, they can just live with their Chinese SDKs or they can go out of business, whatever. > from Allwinner is a legal matter, and a pretty open and shut case at > that. Allwinner trying to make their mole a part of this community this > crudely or artificially, while so badly messing up the basics, that is > not only counterproductive, it is quite preposterous. > > Stop trying to hollow out Allwinners hard legal requirements. Sure, allwinner is required, legally, to release some sources. And it might have signed some NDAs to not release them so it may as much legally be obliged to not release the same sources. It might in fact have put itself into a situation when it is not allowed to ship a product with this software, legally. However, the copyright of the ffmpeg authors or Linux authors is somewhat theoretical in China while the NDA they signed with the business next door is much less. And as has been pointed out the situation can be 'corrected' by releasing modularized sources with the blobs as properly separated modules without providing anything useful to linux-sunxi at all. So dwelling on this point is in all ways quite useless. Even though they have shipped the SDKs with intermixed binaries and are technically required to produce sources for those. The only really useful thing that can happen is cooperation and that will not happen with badmouthing allwinner all the time. If you shout that they have to release sources loud enough that they notice they will show you the Chinese smiley face and say they will release them. And since they said so they will. It does not say anything about the usefulness of the release, however. So, please, try to limit the corrosive and bitter posts. Thanks Michal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. 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