Re: There is no CLUG

[Jason]

Replies quoted below....

Jason, here http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0208/msg00606.html you
offered to talk on one of those subjects that interested you, what
happenned? maybe you felt you needed to be asked. HAving the dubious
honour of being on the meeting committee I'm gonna get you along for
some info about the stuff that interests you. I have become much more
interested in multimedia lately and I think many people would enjoy a
talk on some of the stuff you are interested in. Will you do it? I hope
so.

I did feel the need to be asked. Not by a committee but by several members of CLUG on list. Why? Because I wouldn't want to talk about things that only interested me. I did not exactly get a huge response on list to my proposals and ideas IIRC. I still think a meeting in 2 halves is best. First half GUI and app based discussions/presentations. Second half, CLI/programming oriented discussion. We start the halves at preset times, then, if people didn't want to stay for the second half they could leave. Conversly, they could come ONLY for the second half if they had no interest in "desktopy" things

I wanted a LOT of things ;) But then I am a demanding chap, aren't I??
No, but seriously, Nick, your (as I saw it), ahem, sometimes abrasive and forthright nature frankly annoyed me.

Geez and I thought we made up :-(

We have Nick, see my snip below ;)

I have since gotten to know you better and though you still sometimes annoy me (as I surely do
you), I have also come to respect and value your opinions, if not
approach. I think you have a lot of knowlege and ability that many
(myself included) on this list have benefited from. I got the
impression that the bulk of people in the CLUG (based on discussion at
the meetings) were quite happy with the way CLUG was being run and the
topics being discussed. I was not. To recap my feelings and what I
thought the CLUG should include more of, see the archives here:
http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0208/msg00575.html

As such, it seemed CLUG in general was meeting most everyone's needs
but mine.

Once again, I did not want to foist my ideas on a group that seemed at best ambiguously interested in them.

Actually getting speakers is hard! But you're gonna fill a spot I hope.
If we cannot get people to give informative, topical, interesting
"seminars" we are gonna have to abandon them.

I agree, but participation when ideas are forwarded on list needs be heavily encouraged. Then, a leader/leaders of CLUG could ask for direct participation by members on list. I do not understand why there is a problem (and resistance to) having leaders, so long as they are as sensitive as possible to the needs of the whole. Leadership just means someone is more responsible than the rest for organising things. Perhaps few like the idea of having any kind of responsibilities to a volunteer based group??

I think one of the problems is that the people who have been seen as
movers and shakers on the meeting side have tended to be people who run
linux for business purposes on servers. (prime example: Chris H). They
have less knowledge/interest/whatever in the "desktop".

Agree 100%

Therefore, rather than try to encourage the inclusion of
things few saw as important other than me, I chose to step back and
allow those who enjoyed it as is, continue to enjoy it as is. If this
has changed in recent times (meaning since I stopped attending
meetings etc.), please let me know and I will reconsider my
involvement.



Man you should have been there and stood for the committee - do we have
power to co-opt another member?

=) That was funny. Thanks for making me smile Nick. See, we are friends after all....

I look forward to hearing from other members in the CLUG re these issues. If we don't hear much then I guess these points are pretty moot anyway.

Cheers

J

Regards,

Jason Greenwood

Nick Rout wrote:

Not wanting to go over old ground here Jason, but IIRC you wanted
more talks on gui type software, which quickly degenerated into a
CLI/GUI flamewar oops I mean discussion.

I think someone may have suggested that you organise or conduct talks
on the areas that interested you, if that has resulted in you "voting
with your feet" then i think thats a shame. Maybe I have it wrong and
there were some other issues i wasn't aware of.

I hope you'll take part some more Jason, particularly as there is
another installfest coming up. You have made a good contribution to
the"group" and I hope it can continue.


Nick

On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:33:22 +1300
Jason Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I will not bore the list as I am reasonably sure I have made it

quite >clear what I would like the CLUG to do differently. IMHO,
these concerns >have fallen on more than deaf ears, they have fallen
on vehemently >contrary ears. That is totally fine, I guess I was
outnumbered. As I >said, I am not trying to change the CLUG anymore,
I chose to vote with >my feet instead. I still wish the CLUG the very
best but it doesn't meet >my needs. I have therefore limited my
involvement to the occasional >participation on list.

Nick Rout wrote:

If you were the committee of one, what would you change?


On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:01:35 +1300
Jason Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

One problem with your little hypothesis/statement. It leaves no

room for >>>change/progression/evolution. All things change in time,
that is the way >>>of life.

Jason Greenwood