then try the minus button right of Zero (eg 890-+) and then + on a normal 
qwerty keyboard.

dave

On Fri, 21 May 2004 21:40, you wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 21:14, dave wrote:
> > try ctl +alt and either the Minus key or the Plus key on the numeric pad.
>
> I'm using a Sony PCG-Z505JE laptop.  It doesn't have a numeric pad.
>

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