On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Nishit Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On 11 Sep 2014 12:56, "Pirate Praveen" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > We have now sent a legal notice to HP on this via Prasanth Sugathan of
> > Software Freedom Law Center and it is covered by Economic times
> >
> >
>
> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/software/ishan-masdekar-sends-legal-notice-to-hp-for-compelling-him-to-buy-a-notebook-with-windows-8/articleshow/42219383.cms
> >
>
> Bravo for this initiative, all who are part of it!
>
> I see some issues with getting a refund and starting a flood:
>
> 1. OEMs get an OEM license from Microsoft for installing Windows on to
> consumer PCs - the terms may be negotiated, and pricing may be very low for
> a leading OEM like HP (though not negligible) - would the OEM or Microsoft
> be willing to make their pricing public?
>

One would have to take whatever they declare as price.


>
> 2. Both the OEM and Microsoft can say that the OS is an essential part of
> the system, as the proprietary drivers of some components will not run on
> any other OS, and alternative drivers may have unintended effects or
> illegal uses (such as SDR manipulation)
>

Irrelevant. The user has an alternative


>
> 3. They could also claim that it would be virtually impossible to verify
> whether each request for refund has come after Microsoft software had been
> removed completely (and we can't allow them to implement a kill switch)
>

Irrelevant again. They have to prove otherwise


>
> 4. They could claim that they would be unable to market and sell their
> products without a warranty for performance and quality if they are unable
> to control which OS is loaded on to the PC, and that blank devices can only
> be niche, probably obsolete products
>

In which case they should be selling the 2 separately.


>
> 5. Microsoft tax is also the name for the underhand practice where it
> extracts a heavy price for licenses from OEMs that sell more than a certain
> percentage of Linux PCs, and no OEM would want to acknowledge this publicly
>

Cross subsidy is a legal offence as per the MRTP act.



>
> 6. OEMs rely on quick obsolescence, which is accentuated with Microsoft
> bloatware, to keep on getting your money every few years - Linux makes this
> cycle much longer, plus after sales service harder - so no positive
> incentive for them
>

Irrelevant.
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