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On 01/04/2011 12:59 PM, Jeff Lasman wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:35:38 pm Charles N Wyble wrote:
> 
>> Sure. I've considered getting an SDSL line as a backup. I wonder how
>> much diversity in terms of cable path/dslam/atm etc SDSL has vs ADSL
>> into the same CO. Things to research.
> 
> When I had SDSL to my apartment it used it's own pair but it was from the 
> same 
> bundle as my voice pair, so to the CO no diversity at all.  The DSLAM is 
> definitely different.

Right. I would expect it to ride the same cable path into the MDF.
However I wasn't sure if it would necessarily be a different DSLAM.
Couldn't they just mix ADSL/SDSL cards in the same chassis? I suppose I
should post a query to NANOG.

I have traced the cable path in my neighborhood, from primary MPOE to
CO. (yes I have two MPOE. One in house, one in garage (not currently
taking any inbound traffic).   Confirmed my traces with local engineers.
 My telephone line goes to a line in my back alley. This terminates into
a box about 600 feet away, which is directly connected to a fiber path
into the CO. The DSLAM that serves my house is in the CO and not one of
the outlying huts (labeled as neighborhood gateways) If I go on my roof
I can see the CO. :)

<ot>
Wish I could do a PtP wifi link with them. Once I become a CLEC I might
be able to do that. The CO has windows, but I don't know what type.
Different types have different rf propagation characteristics. It would
be significantly easier then shooting a link up to the hills and into
DTLA WMMR. (downtown los angeles, wireless meet me room). Some think I
can do it on unlicensed, others don't.  We will see.

I will probably end up doing both. The long range option will give me
decent diversity of carriers, and low latency interconnects. Pricing
will probably work out the same on a per mbit basis (CLEC pricing with
ATT in California is pretty good. It's competitive with He/cogent).

At some point when one wants to provide sufficient bandwidth/ip space,
one needs to link up with the big boys directly over l2. (I suppose this
portion belongs in the other reply to this thread about being an ISP...)
</ot>

So with sufficient backup power, I can provide emergency net access to
my neighborhood via wifi, as the CO should stay up longer then the
outlying huts.

I'm currently investigating backup power options that can be had
cheaply. Natural gas generator for the whole house seems like the best
option. However gas lines tend to rupture during earthquakes. I suppose
solar is good. Wind requires a pretty tall tower (most likely not able
to get a permit for) to get sufficient capacity. Thoughts on backup
power? Who here is doing solar? Wind?


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http://www.knownelement.com
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