-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/04/2011 12:48 PM, Jeff Lasman wrote: > On Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:57:46 am Charles N Wyble wrote: > >> I agree with this point of view. This is why I host everything myself. > > As do I of course, but in a datacenter.
I think I may need to sit down and give serious consideration to putting my gear in a data center. I now have 48U worth of gear. It currently sits in two half racks side by side. I need to evaluate power usage, higher cost DSL I have for hosting etc. I think it would still be cheaper to host at home then in a data center. > > Not always though. I started hosting out of my home (then in Florida) on a > 128k ISDN connection. It could reconnect in a few milliseconds if it ever > dropped. Nice. It automatically dropped to 64k if someone called me on the phone > also connected to the line, and it was cost-effective because in Florida in > 1995 a home ISDN connection was charged by the month; not by the minute. Right. One really long phone call :) > > Fast forward a few years, and I had an SDSL connection running at 384k, a > DSLAM, and an unmanaged switch, and a bunch of Cobalt RaQs, stacked on a > folding table without benefit of a rack. (My neighborhood almost never had > power failures of over a few minutes, and I had a fairly decent APC ups which > I still have but don't currently use; it needs battery replacement, which > needs to be done by them.) You were serving people on this? Dial up users? Or this was for hosting customers? I remember Cobalt RaQs. :) Cute little things. > > Mostly we were an ISP then (anyone remember EZ-Access Internet in > Riverside?), > and had a bank of 25 consumer grade modems running at 48k, sitting in an > office building in Riverside (I couldn't get 25 lines at home), outgoing on a > 256k Frame Relay line (which cost much more than T1s do today). Hah. Funny how that works out. > > But eventually, as everyone started getting 56K modems we couldn't stay on > that model; consumer modems could only downstream at 56k; upstream was > limited > to 48k. So to offer 56k we started using a consolidator, and managed our > accounts online. A consolidator? Is that a service? Like MegaPop? > > When people started getting DSL connections we sold off the ISP business > rather than invest again and join in unholy alliance with the telco.. Hmmmm. Can you expand on that a bit? I presume you are referring to becoming a CLEC? > > So we moved our servers to a datacenter, where we could get symmetric > connection at $75 per mbps per month (we pay significantly less now). Right. I would hope so. :) > > The real issue isn't so much the symmetrical service (though that's > important) > but the availability of IP#s. Sure. I have 5 static, public IP addresses. v4 of course. impulse.net (att clec) will offer native v6. One can always do v6 via an he tunnel. Based on our needing at least 2 Class C > allocations and being able to do BGP (which our datacenter hotel does for us) > we wouldn't need pay for IP#s at all; only a yearly fee for membership. Sure. presumably you have your own AS number/PI space? Or do you have a private AS and peer with the data center hotel for PA space? I'm in the process of getting a small swip block from a hoster here in LA. So I'll soon be joining the real internet. :) > > https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html > > That's right, a /19 (8,192 IP#s) for $2,250 a year. > > Or in other words 27.4 cents per IP# per year. > > (Per YEAR; read that and weep if your provider charges you $1, $2, or even > (in > the case of Charter) $20 per MONTH per IP#.) Wow. That's a tad excessive. > > Not that I recommend using excessive amounts of IP#s; as for us, we keep our > IP# usage down to one Class C allocation (that's s /24) which we get at no > charge from our upstream provider. Ah right. So it's PA space. As opposed to direct allocation from ARIN. > > We do try to conserve physical resources as well; our datacenter is in the > first green datacenter hotel in Los Angeles. Nice. Which data center hotel is that if I may ask? - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNI6CSAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtxe0QALBoBkB0viyWgaY/djUeMo8Z GcosEE7+o1d9wEdpGKRUb7PtKlKn/e3EBwi4q85ngdfv+XAdchgh8rpVYGeTaMTE OmN74nFqSEOXvmasr5Ejde9CQ28mn0dYLyJPKXRgCXBNNmI1ltBsBxGN6KehNifA f1nrRCVvM9iGf+D2Iub7mY5Y9Z6C1G5dQNx64r7R+oHnPWY0d0I8VIBhJO5G4ztc yFU0G7X6BFlNe5e7GSv246e9Fm3VqtdEHwVOcs9al3UzXiu6/2/LM84hDrQRIj10 60TfrhKMHP8i7qYDILIfujgqxAOP/MAzfwcrZG+qaqmAyiay56Q16SMrZVPFb2X9 V6e6EOjylA59YAMyAdl3Al2CYespyGh6kwh3iM7SN9HgISH+zwIX1d/UuvtT5iGT GX8NX2kXsvLIlWf7vnG8xu3tpgbRyVwQaScyCdR33JcdDF9KEK/W/BL6nZPRGbJx sRQOifRBxVqWbh16EBWld5epnTHPJ10suE2W+y/n2YWBYLXpf50b3RJrsx7x+fY8 rvTm6C0OkrUUVUndYWp/ojoe3bMP5B2d8Xw4OxYRdCzNhfBAhF4quGb8AmCw7BsS ish12iAxV6GdrFx5HBAVTtcA6rVSt71gvgPrkRMdUJfGy/JpSRU379C7jn94KzSK OAujKb8+fj+poQjnz7Bz =hfjz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ LinuxUsers mailing list LinuxUsers@socallinux.org http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers
