Yes, Ragi. Right now they have separate privacy policies for each product, and now its going to be a single privacy policy. And with this, it gives you more options and control. You can read what the changes are in the policy, they give you a diff on the text. - Trevor
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Ragi Burhum <r...@burhum.com> wrote: > Chris, > > Apologies but I do not think I understand your question. The privacy policy > is available here http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/ > > As far as "*why* [you] need to agree to it", well, it is because Google is a > company and if you want to use their services, that is what you have to do. > If you do not want to use their services, then you do not have to agree to > it. > > What they are doing is basically a preemptive strike to make sure that when > they get hit with an anti-trust lawsuit or some huge privacy law class > action law suit (most likely from Europe, where privacy laws are more > strict), they have some ammunition. They can say "we announced the crap of > our privacy policy, we even simplified it so that more people can understand > it, and in addition, we even supported the Google Data Liberation Front, > where anybody that did not want to continue using our products could get > their data from us or delete it. Whatever lawyer is litigating against them > and wants to use the privacy argument will have a hard time because Google > now has this under their belt. > > Makes sense to me. They are not changing how they do business (same way the > did before - highly targeted ads scanning your data from anybody that uses > Google Analytics, emails you get, etc). They are just cleaning up their > legal ammunition. > > - Ragi > > >> >> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:10:53 -0600 >> >> From: Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [LinuxUsers] how do we feel about google & gmail now? >> To: SoCal LUG Users List <linuxusers@socallinux.org> >> Message-ID: >> >> <caeprvycqfjwplkbaohokof6r_x_zr23mz6rca6-2ltwft7u...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> >> Ragi, >> >> If the new privacy policy is a simplification of what Google has done >> for years, why doesn't Google just post the new policy on the web so >> that people looking for it can read it? Why do I need to agree to it? >> Based on your claim, haven't we already agreed to these policies in >> previous TOS agreements? Suspect...imo. >> >> Chris... >> >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Ragi Burhum <r...@burhum.com> wrote: >> > Dude, this is how it has been working for years. The new TOS just makes >> > it >> > easy to understand that this is what they are talking about. But the >> > practice has been there. have you ever asked a friend to Google >> > something >> > and pick the third result and their search results were different from >> > yours? I can remember realizing this 4+ years ago. >> > >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 03:51:46 -0600 >> >> >> >> From: Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> >> >> Subject: Re: [LinuxUsers] how do we feel about google & gmail now? >> >> To: SoCal LUG Users List <linuxusers@socallinux.org> >> >> Message-ID: >> >> >> >> ?<caeprvybrx0+d4voaz22eaaaxtmyfinut+tfkkoom_wn1ot3...@mail.gmail.com> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> >> >> >> >> Trevor, >> >> >> >> Yes, As I stated in the previous email: >> >> "I can even appreciate that this sharing of personal information >> >> happens within Google controlled websites...etc." >> >> >> >> I did not claim Google was selling "this" data. ?What Google is doing >> >> is forcing the users to accept a new privacy policy. ?This is a bad >> >> >> thing because the new policy actually violates the user's privacy. >> >> The new policy allows Google to use your email to "help" with search >> >> results. ?No thank you, I want to opt out of this.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Chris... >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Trevor Benedict <mre...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Google is not sharing data with other sites. Google has never sold >> >> > any >> >> > of your data to a 3rd party. They don't need too. >> >> > What they are doing is linking Youtube, and a few other things THEY >> >> > OWN together. >> >> > >> >> > I really don't understand why people think Google is selling this >> >> > data, or letting a 3rd party have access to it. It's just not the >> >> > case. >> >> > - Trevor >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> I think you guys are missing the point. ?The "new" privacy policy, >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> >> the stuff they have been doing for years, that starts on March 1st, >> >> >> 2012 is something users must accept. ?It is this new policy that >> >> >> people have a problem. ?The fact that Google runs a script that >> >> >> search >> >> >> >> >> my email and puts the ad words in the right column when I am using >> >> >> the >> >> >> web client is different than them forcing users to accept that their >> >> >> data will be shared with other sites. ?Users should be able to opt >> >> >> out >> >> >> >> >> of this policy, IMO. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Chris... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Trevor Benedict <mre...@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> Yes, im with Ragi here. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Google is making it simpler to manage for them, and for you. They >> >> >>> have >> >> >>> been kind of doing this for years now. >> >> >>> This gives me the power to make it easier to block, and/or control >> >> >>> what ad's sectors I would like to see. >> >> >>> They even link to a plugin for blocking cookies. >> >> >>> http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/html/intl/en/plugin/ >> >> >>> >> >> >>> http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/?hl=en >> >> >>> "You can remove or edit your categories at any time" >> >> >>> Its pretty funny for what they think I like. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> - Trevor >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Ragi Burhum <r...@burhum.com> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> Perhaps I am missing something key to this discussion. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Anybody who has ever paid attention to the adwords that show up on >> >> >>>> gmail or adsense delivered throughout the entire Internet should >> >> >>>> have known >> >> >>>> this has been going on for years. Why else would I be getting, >> >> >>>> say, >> >> >>>> geospatial ads on an ecommerce site about memory modules? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> The fact that the tos language across all g-products is easier is >> >> >>>> to >> >> >>>> understand is a good thing. The practice of what is described >> >> >>>> there has been >> >> >>>> going on for years, I am frankly surprised people are all up in >> >> >>>> arms as if >> >> >>>> it were something new... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 02:41:55 -0600 >> >> >>>>> From: Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [LinuxUsers] how do we feel about google & gmail >> >> >>>>> now? >> >> >>>>> To: SoCal LUG Users List <linuxusers@socallinux.org> >> >> >>>>> Message-ID: >> >> >>>>> ? >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> ?<caeprvyd8p1vtk-qvra1xxv_awhhymvstdcvfrg7xe2_ez0o...@mail.gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Trevor, >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> If you could provide specific directions, or a link to >> >> >>>>> directions, >> >> >>>>> on >> >> >>>>> how to turn this new privacy policy off, it would be much >> >> >>>>> appreciated. >> >> >>>>> Do you mean when the page to accept the policy shows up? ?I have >> >> >>>>> long >> >> >> >> >>>>> respected Google and I would hate for that to change now. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Chris... >> >> >>>>> > > > _______________________________________________ > LinuxUsers mailing list > LinuxUsers@socallinux.org > http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers > _______________________________________________ LinuxUsers mailing list LinuxUsers@socallinux.org http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers
