Thanks for catching the typo, we´ll correct it for the upcoming version.

Albert


On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Rene Bartsch <[email protected]> wrote:

> Am 2014-07-25 22:21, schrieb Fabio Maino:
>
>
>  Cabellos-Aparicio (Ed.) Expires January 17, 2015               [Page 12]
>>>
>>> Internet-Draft              LISP Introduction                  July 2014
>>>
>>>
>>> 7.  Initial Applications
>>>
>>>     {{Suggested by editors: Move this section after section 8, the
>>>     applications should not be described before LISP has been fully
>>>     described.
>>>
>>>     {{Suggested by Noel: Reorder the whole section in popularity order?}}
>>>
>>>     As previously mentioned, it is felt that LISP will provide even the
>>>     earliest adopters with some useful capabilities, and that these
>>>     capabilities will drive early LISP deployment.
>>>
>>>     It is very imporant to note that even when used only for
>>>     interoperation with existing un-modified hosts, use of LISP can still
>>>     provide benefits to the site which has deployed it - and, perhaps
>>>     even more importantly, can do so to both sides.  This characteristic
>>>     acts to further enhance the utility for early adopters of LISP.
>>>
>>>     Note also that this section only lists some early applications and
>>>     benefits.  See [I-D.ietf-lisp-perspective], in the Section "Goals of
>>>     LISP", for a more extensive discussion of some of what LISP might
>>>     ultimately provide.
>>>
>>> 7.1.  Provider Independence
>>>
>>>     Provider independence (i.e. the ability to easily change one's
>>>     Internet Service Provider) is a good example of the utility of
>>>     separating location and identity.
>>>
>>>     To limit global routing table size addresses need to be aggregated.
>>>     To that aim networks can use provider aggregatable addresses
>>>     ([RFC4116]) which means that the IP prefixes of networks are sub-
>>>     prefixes of their provider.  This solutions allows to reduce
>>>     scalability issues of the global routing table but it means that when
>>>     a network switches providers it has to re-number all its devices
>>>     which is known to be complex in current networks [RFC5887].
>>>
>>>     Having separate namespaces for location and identity greatly reduces
>>>     the problems involved with re-numbering; an organization which moves
>>>     retains its EIDs (which are how most other parties refer to its
>>>     nodes), but is allocated new RLOCs, and the mapping system can
>>>     quickly provide the updated mapping from the EIDs to the new RLOCs.
>>>
>>> 7.2.  Multi-Homing
>>>
>>>     {{Suggested by editors: This section should be extended, it is
>>>     unclear the benefits that LISP brings to multihoming (.e.g, traffic
>>>     engineering, decoupled multihoming from the data-plane).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cabellos-Aparicio (Ed.) Expires January 17, 2015               [Page 13]
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>     Multi-homing is another place where the value of separation of
>>>     location and identity became apparent.  There are several different
>>>     sub-flavours of the multi-homing problem - e.g. depending on whether
>>>     one wants open TCP connections to keep working, etc - and other axes
>>>     as well (e.g. site multi-homing versus host multi-homing).
>>>
>>>     In particular, for the 'keep open connections up' case, without
>>>     separation of location and identity, with most currently deployed
>>>     implementations, the only currently feasible approach is to use
>>>     provider-independent addressses - which moves the problem into the
>>>     global routing system, with attendant costs.  This approach is also
>>>     not really feasible for host multi-homing.
>>>
>>> 7.3.  Traffic Engineering
>>>
>>>     {{Suggestion by editors: Merge this section with the previous one, TE
>>>     is not practical without multihoming}}
>>>
>>>     {{Needs a fix - not sure what.}}
>>>
>>>     Traffic engineering (TE) [RFC3272], desirable though this capability
>>>     is in a global network, is currently somewhat problematic to provide
>>>     in the Internet.  The problem, fundamentally, is that this capability
>>>     was not forseen when the Internet was designed, so the support for it
>>>     via hacks is neither clean, nor flexible.
>>>
>>>     TE is, fundamentally, a routing issue.  However, the current Internet
>>>     routing architecture, which is basically the Baran design of fifty
>>>     years ago [Baran] (a single large, distributed computation), is ill-
>>>     suited to provide TE.  The Internet seems a long way from adopting a
>>>     more-advanced routing architecture, although the basic concepts for
>>>     such have been known for some time.  [RFC1992]
>>>
>>>     Although the identity-location mapping layer is thus a poor place,
>>>     architecturally, to provide TE capabilities, it is still an
>>>     improvement over the current routing tools available for this purpose
>>>     (e.g. injection of more-specific routes into the global routing
>>>     table).
>>>
>>>     In addition, instead of the entire network incurring the costs
>>>     (through the routing system overhead), when using a mapping layer to
>>>     provide TE, the overhead is limited to those who are actually
>>>     communicating with that particular destination.
>>>
>>>     LISP includes a number of features in the mapping system to support
>>>     TE. (described in Section 8.2, "Control Plane - Mapping System
>>>     Overview", below); more details about using LISP for TE can be found
>>>     in [I-D.farinacci-lisp-te].
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cabellos-Aparicio (Ed.) Expires January 17, 2015               [Page 14]
>>>
>>> Internet-Draft              LISP Introduction                  July 2014
>>>
>>>
>>>     Also, a number of academic papers have explored how LISP can be used
>>>     to do TE, and how effective it can be.  See the online LISP
>>>     Bibliography ([Bibliography]) for information about them.
>>>
>>> 7.4.  Routing
>>>
>>>     {{Suggestion by editors: Remove this section, LISP is not a routing
>>>     protocol.}}
>>>
>>>     Multi-homing and Traffic Engineering are both, in some sense, uses of
>>>     LISP for routing, but there are many other routing-related uses for
>>>     LISP.
>>>
>>>     One of the major original motivations for the separation of location
>>>     and identity in general, and thus LISP, was to reduce the growth of
>>>     the routing tables in the "Internet core", the part where routes to
>>>     _all_ ultimate destinations must be available.  LISP is expected to
>>>     help with this; for more detail, see Section 15.4, "LISP and Core
>>>     Internet Routing", below.
>>>
>>>     LISP may also have more local applications in which it can help with
>>>     routing; see, for instance, [CorasBGP].
>>>
>>> 7.5.  Mobility
>>>
>>>     {{Suggestion by editors: Remove this section, mobility is not in
>>>     charter.}}
>>>
>>>     Mobility is yet another place where separation of location and
>>>     identity is a key part of a clean, efficient and high-functionality
>>>     solution.  Considerable experimentation has been completed on doing
>>>     mobility with LISP.
>>>
>>>     The mobility provided by LISP allows active sessions to survive moves
>>>     (provided of course that there is not a period of inaccessibility
>>>     which exceeds a timeout).  LISP mobility also will typically have
>>>     better packet stretch (i.e. increase in path length) compared to
>>>     traditional mobility schemes, which use a home agent.
>>>
>>> 7.6.  Traversal Across Alternate IP Versions
>>>
>>>     Note that LISP inherently supports intermixing of various IP versions
>>>     for packet carriage; IPv4 packets might well be carried in IPv6, or
>>>     vice versa, depending on the network's configuration.
>>>
>>>     This capability allows an island of operation of one type to be
>>>     automatically tunneled over a stretch of infrastucture which only
>>>     supports the other type.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cabellos-Aparicio (Ed.) Expires January 17, 2015               [Page 15]
>>>
>>> Internet-Draft              LISP Introduction                  July 2014
>>>
>>>
>>> 7.7.  Virtual Private Networks
>>>
>>>     {{Suggestion by editors: Remove this section, not covered by any WG
>>>     document}}
>>>
>>>     L2 and L3 {{Need to add text here - This used to be part of 'Local'
>>>     below, but we decided this was so important it deserved its own
>>>     section.  Maybe move this up further, as it seems to be the most
>>>     important 'early adopter' application?}}
>>>
>>>     The mapping-and-encapsulation nature of LISP makes it a perfect
>>>     candidate for VPN solutions.  In this case, private parts of the VPN
>>>     form LISP sites and the IP addresses of devices in the private parts
>>>     are composing EID spaces.  The interconnection between the LISP sites
>>>     is the public network and IP addresses in the interconnection compose
>>>     the RLOC space.  A major advantage of using LISP to construct VPN
>>>     resides in the simplicity of the configurations: each xTR (i.e., VPN
>>>     end) is configured to query the mapping system to retrieve mappings
>>>     making the glue between the public (RLOC space) and the private (EID
>>>     space) of the VPN.
>>>
>>>     This includes support of multi-tenancy where several private networks
>>>     can be carried over the same underlayer network.  Thanks to the
>>>     instance-id field, multi-tenant network can even use the exact same
>>>     addresses as the xTR distinguishes the tenant based on the value of
>>>     the instance-id.  The multiple address family support in LISP
>>>     mappings also allows to build private networks using a different
>>>     addressing family than the carrier (e.g., IPv6 over IPv4).
>>>
>>> 7.8.  Local Uses
>>>
>>>     {{Suggestion by editors: Remove this section.  The section contains a
>>>     general discussion about the applicability of LISP in intra-domain
>>>     scenarios, however it does not describe any specific application.}}
>>>
>>>     LISP has a number of use cases which are within purely
>>>     organizationally-local contexts, i.e. not in the larger Internet.
>>>     These fall into two categories: uses seen on the Internet (above),
>>>     but here on a private (and usually small scale) setting; and
>>>     applications which do not have a direct analog in the larger
>>>     Internet, and which apply only to local deployments.
>>>
>>>     Among the former are multi-homing and IP version traversal. {{This
>>>     was marked to be deleted - why?  The next part doesn't make sense
>>>     without this first?}}
>>>
>>>     Among the latter class, non-Internet applications which have no
>>>     analog on the Internet, are the following example applications:
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>     virtual machine mobility in data centers; non-IP EID types such as L2
>>>     MAC addresses, or application specific data.
>>>
>>>     Several of the applications listed in this section are the ones which
>>>     have been most popular for LISP in practise; these include virtual
>>>     networks, and virtual machine mobility.
>>>
>>>     These often show a synergistic tendency, in that a site which
>>>     installs LISP to do one, often finds that then becomes a small matter
>>>     to use it for the second.  Given all the things which LISP can do, it
>>>     is hoped that this synergistic effect will continue to expand LISP's
>>>     uses.
>>>
>>>     {{Preceeding paragraphs should probably get moved up into VPN
>>>     section?}}
>>>
>>>
>
> I suggest to add LISP with carrier grade NAT as Dual-Stack Lite
> replacement in section 7.
>
>
>  Authors' Addresses
>>>
>>>     Albert Cabellos-Aparicio (Ed.)
>>>     Technical University of Catalonia
>>>     C/Jordi Girona, s/n
>>>     BARCELONA 08034
>>>     Spain
>>>
>>>     Email:[email protected]
>>>
>>
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> --
> Best regards,
>
> Rene Bartsch, B. Sc. Informatics
>
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