At 6:30 AM -0400 6/20/2000, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>And it's too bad that you can't address the idea itself, but instead
>paint its proponents as antiquated thinkers.
I've tried, Rich.I really have. But I can't have a conversation with
people who won't talk to me. Instead, all I get back in return are
lectures.
>Confirmation *works*. It works well. It scales. [*] It prevents
>some (but obviously not all) abuses. And at least with the
>s/w that I use to run mailing lists, it's trivial to implement.
and where have I ever said that's not true? If you accuse me of
painting people as antiquated thinkers, what about those who insist
on trying to define my arguments for me and then ripping me for how
they interpret what I think?
Frankly, I'm tired of trying. I decided that a couple of days ago,
but I'll say more on that later.
>I also think taking "reasonable and customary" steps to prevent
>the resources I manage from being used to harrass other people is
>part of my responsibility. I don't believe that I can blithely
>shrug it off as if it isn't.
So do I.
>[*] Lack of confirmation does not scale.
Baloney. But more on that later, too. I don't feel like flying off
the handle on this issue now, and if I'm going to discuss this, I'm
going to discuss it rationally and with thought.
>This is, regretably, NOT a hypothetical case.
No, it's not. and depending on the list, confirmation is a very
appropriate response to the problem. But there are other alternatives
that also work.
But more on that later, when I have a chance to gather my thoughts
and lay it out one final time. Not that i expect it to do anything
more than start up the same old kneejerks again.
(but here's a hint. The answer is not "confirmation". The answer is
"well run mailing lists". confirmation is *a* tool, not *the* tool.
And confirmation does you nothing if the mailing list is run badly.
The trick is not to use confirmation, but to run mailing lists well.
And confirmation is one tool in the arsenal, and not necessarily the
right tool. It's definitely not the only tool)
More later. but thanks for confirming my thoughts as correct.
chuq
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And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
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