On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Jonathan Zittrain wrote:

[regarding the adoption of the ORSC civil discourse rules:]
> a.  How does the charter of the ORSC list differ from the IFWP list as you
> see it?  So long as the lists are roughly interchangeable when people post,
> it would make them completely redundant if they both had the same civil
> discourse rules.

This remark may seem logical to you, but it seems psychologically/socially
naive to me.  It's like saying that all big city street corners are equal.
In fact they aren't; different corners belong to different gangs.
  
The IFWP list has never had an agreed charter, but the list has certainly
always been open (except of course during the peculiar period after 11 
December 1998 when some people were unsubscribed).  Everyone has been free
to come and talk and so a wide spectrum of viewpoints has always
been represented here.

The ORSC has always represented (to my understanding) a particular
viewpoint as to how the Internet should be run and its list has been a
place where that faction meets to talk.  That faction has always been an
extremely small one.  (Please do not interpret this statement as an 
attack on the ORSC or its positions.)

Should the ORSC civil discourse rules be adopted?  These require the 
appointment of three all-powerful moderators.  Given the wide disparity
of views represented on this list, and given the rabid dislike that 
some individuals have for each other, it's difficult to see how this 
list could agree upon who the moderators should be.  Equally, I don't 
know who could be trusted to act in this role without using it to 
promote their own positions.

> >I have two questions I'd like to see the group address
> >and come to consensus on:
> >a) should this list adopt the ORSC civil discourse rules?
> >(http://www.open-rsc.org/lists/rules/)

No.  

> >b) should we stick one of Ellens grey ribbons on the 
> >mailing list website ?

What mailing list website?

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