Sorry Jim -- I goofed by not pointing out that I was referring back to
the whole thread, including Zittrain.
Please accept my apology for not being clear about that.
Cheers...\Stef
>From your message Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:36:22 +0000 (GMT):
}
}On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Einar Stefferud wrote:
}
}> Hi All, and especially Jim;-)...
}>
}> I am a bit disturbed by the negative light in which Jim is casting
}> ORSC in this specific discussion.
}
}I would prefer that remarks like this be tied to what I actually
}said, which is:
}
}> }I repeat, the ORSC is one small faction. The IFWP achieved the closest=20
}> }thing to universal participation in this debate, and the closest thing
}> }to consensus, that I am aware of. Also, the IFWP has a very broad remit,
}> }and the Open Root Server Confederation has a very narrow one.
}
}If you disagree with this, please tell me exactly where the "negative
}light" is. Is the ORSC not a small faction? Does it have a large
}remit?
}
}> The only connection between IFWP and ORSC at this moment is that
}
}My remarks were in reply to Jonathan Zittrain's suggestion that the
}ORSC list and the IFWP list were interchangeable, or would be if the
}ORSC rules were adopted by the IFWP list.
}
}> Richard has rescued the IFWP mailing list from the trash heap, and he
}> also happens to be the listserve admin for ORSC, because he has
}> arranged for it to be running on one of his computers.
}>
}> I expect his question about IFWP adopting the ORSC Civil Discourse
}> Rule was propted by something I said about IANN setting up an ICANN
}
}Wrong. If you would bother to read what you are so quick to reply
}to, you would see that what I wrote was a reply to Zittrain.
}
}> list-of-record and also suggested that it should use the ORSC Civil
}> Discourse Rule. Do, he picked up the idea for IFWP.
}
}I can't translate the last remark.
}
}> So, I find all the personal degrading comments about Richard to be way
}> off base here, and the negative comparisons of ORSC to IFWP to also be
}> at least pointless, as the two lists are totally different in
}> character and purpose.
}
}As regards the two lists being totally different in character and purpose,
}this is essentially what I said in reply to Zittrain's suggestion that
}the two lists are equivalent.
}
}As regards the "personal degrading comments about Richard, this is the
}ONLY mention of Richard Sexton in the email you are replying to:
}
}> }> >What mailing list website?
}> }>=20
}> }> There was a url listed in Richard's first post. I think the list is
}> }> mirrored there for those who want to read it with a web browser. Here it
}> }> is--<http://lists.ifwp.org>. ...JZ
}
}I fail to see how this is personal or degrading. And of course I didn't
}mention Richard at all, except by quoting what Zittrain said.
}
}> So, I need to ask those who are arguing against use of the ORSC
}> Discourse Rule: "Have you read the rule?" If not, I suggest reading
}> it before voting for or against it. Perhaps Ricahrd can post a copy
}> of it to this list, as it is much shorter than any of these long
}> winded discussions about it.
}
}In response to your question, yes I have read the ORSC rules.
}
}Unfortunately, what you post makes it clear that you did not read what
}you are replying to.
}
}> }> >What mailing list website?
}> }>=20
}> }> There was a url listed in Richard's first post. I think the list is
}> }> mirrored there for those who want to read it with a web browser. Here it
}> }> is--<http://lists.ifwp.org>. ...JZ
}> }
}> }To those of us who spent a lot of our time, energy, and money organising th=
}> }e
}> }IFWP, the lack of a pointer back to www.ifwp.org, the use of a different
}> }logo, and the description of the IFWP process are all somewhat disturbing.
}
}Rather than complaining about my remarks, Richard thought about what I
}wrote and linked his Web site back to www.ifwp.org, for which I thank him.
}
}Richard and I correspond privately reasonably often and I count him as
}a friend.
}
}--
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