On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Einar Stefferud wrote:
> Hi All, and especially Jim;-)...
>
> I am a bit disturbed by the negative light in which Jim is casting
> ORSC in this specific discussion.
I would prefer that remarks like this be tied to what I actually
said, which is:
> }I repeat, the ORSC is one small faction. The IFWP achieved the closest=20
> }thing to universal participation in this debate, and the closest thing
> }to consensus, that I am aware of. Also, the IFWP has a very broad remit,
> }and the Open Root Server Confederation has a very narrow one.
If you disagree with this, please tell me exactly where the "negative
light" is. Is the ORSC not a small faction? Does it have a large
remit?
> The only connection between IFWP and ORSC at this moment is that
My remarks were in reply to Jonathan Zittrain's suggestion that the
ORSC list and the IFWP list were interchangeable, or would be if the
ORSC rules were adopted by the IFWP list.
> Richard has rescued the IFWP mailing list from the trash heap, and he
> also happens to be the listserve admin for ORSC, because he has
> arranged for it to be running on one of his computers.
>
> I expect his question about IFWP adopting the ORSC Civil Discourse
> Rule was propted by something I said about IANN setting up an ICANN
Wrong. If you would bother to read what you are so quick to reply
to, you would see that what I wrote was a reply to Zittrain.
> list-of-record and also suggested that it should use the ORSC Civil
> Discourse Rule. Do, he picked up the idea for IFWP.
I can't translate the last remark.
> So, I find all the personal degrading comments about Richard to be way
> off base here, and the negative comparisons of ORSC to IFWP to also be
> at least pointless, as the two lists are totally different in
> character and purpose.
As regards the two lists being totally different in character and purpose,
this is essentially what I said in reply to Zittrain's suggestion that
the two lists are equivalent.
As regards the "personal degrading comments about Richard, this is the
ONLY mention of Richard Sexton in the email you are replying to:
> }> >What mailing list website?
> }>=20
> }> There was a url listed in Richard's first post. I think the list is
> }> mirrored there for those who want to read it with a web browser. Here it
> }> is--<http://lists.ifwp.org>. ...JZ
I fail to see how this is personal or degrading. And of course I didn't
mention Richard at all, except by quoting what Zittrain said.
> So, I need to ask those who are arguing against use of the ORSC
> Discourse Rule: "Have you read the rule?" If not, I suggest reading
> it before voting for or against it. Perhaps Ricahrd can post a copy
> of it to this list, as it is much shorter than any of these long
> winded discussions about it.
In response to your question, yes I have read the ORSC rules.
Unfortunately, what you post makes it clear that you did not read what
you are replying to.
> }> >What mailing list website?
> }>=20
> }> There was a url listed in Richard's first post. I think the list is
> }> mirrored there for those who want to read it with a web browser. Here it
> }> is--<http://lists.ifwp.org>. ...JZ
> }
> }To those of us who spent a lot of our time, energy, and money organising th=
> }e
> }IFWP, the lack of a pointer back to www.ifwp.org, the use of a different
> }logo, and the description of the IFWP process are all somewhat disturbing.
Rather than complaining about my remarks, Richard thought about what I
wrote and linked his Web site back to www.ifwp.org, for which I thank him.
Richard and I correspond privately reasonably often and I count him as
a friend.
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Jim Dixon Managing Director
VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316
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