Javier and all,
Javier, I don't believe that $25,000 is needed for the translation
of any and all ICANN documents as well as E-Mail exchanges
into 10 or more different languages. I believe that about $5000
would be sufficient. We [INEGroup] do it for that now. So I
see some PORK in this budget.
Have you looked at blowfish yet Javier? If not why not?
Has the ICANN Board? If not, why not. Where else has
the ICANN Board actually looked themselves? My guess,
is that they haven't. Why not? Lazy, perhaps. Or are they
just too important of people to bother with it, hummmm?
Also, if ICANN has all this wonderful support to which they
claim they have, this problem shouldn't even exist, should it?
I would think not. One wonders. Is this a "Leadership"
problem perhaps? Again, one wonders. With the "Great?"
Jones & Day law firm as their legal representative, it would seem
to me this problem would have long sense been addressed, would
it not? Again, one wonders...
With the NTIA and the DOC being "Bosom Buddies" with the
ICANN Board, most especially Esther Dyson and Mike Roberts,
and the fact that the NTIA is supposed to be shepherding and has
oversight of the "ICANN PROCESS", the translation into many
different languages should be done from the beginning and the
NTIA/DOC as the "Sheperding" role here, could and should
have easily provided some avenues for this to occur. Again,
one wonders...
So in closing here Javier, and IFWP participants, it seems
to me rather obvious that something else is afoot here that
does not include "inclusiveness", "Openness", and "Accountability"...
I will leave you Javier, and all of the IFWP participants to determine
for yourselves to draw your own conclusions....
Javier Rodriguez wrote:
> Jeff and all:
>
> On November 18 we have send a proposal to help on the translation
> to spanish ALL the documents, web sites, and web forms related to
> the AT LARGE election.
>
> You can see the whole proposal (in english :-) ) in :
> http://www.axisnet.perured.net/1999111802.html
>
> I ask myself how many organizations that are involved in this IFWP
> can provide some translation to more languages.
>
> I think that the, more or less, US$25,000 that the ICANN budget has
> for the translation to the mayor languages NEED urgently that
> the whole comunity put some translation work in the hands of the
> ICANN board. This is a time for help (and in this way we can
> get a more world wide process).
>
> I guess that the mayor languages would be:
> - English
> - Spanish
> - German
> - French
> - Italian
>
> I would love to get:
> - Chinese (mandarin ? cantonese?)
> - Japanes
> - Portugues/Brasilian
> - Native North American Languages (navajo?)
> - Native South American Languages (quechua, aymara)
> - The many languages that are spoken in India
> - Catalan, and the other original languages that are spoken daily in Spain
> - Russian, Check, Holland, and other European languages
>
> ok, ok, I will try to get someone to translate to "quechua" or "aymara"... I
> will do my best... it will not be easy... but I will try...
>
> Regards,
>
> Javier
>
> At 11/25/99 11:50:00 AM, you wrote:
> >Javier, Dennis and all,
> >
> > Dennis is not on the IFWP list, which is why you might not have gotten
> >his reply right away and I cc'ed him on it.
> >
> > Yes, "Officially", or according the the UN, Spanish is the second
> >most spoken language in terms of population in the world. But I agree
> >I believe that Chinese is. As I had mentioned on the NCDNHC list,
> >we or ICANN should be translating all of it's documents into at least
> >the top 10 most spoken languages. Why they have not done so
> >is a mystery to me. I have read and heard the "Excuses", but do
> >not find them creditable. Some months ago now, as I stated
> >on the NCDNHC list I offered our translation software to ICANN,
> >and never heard a peep. I still haven't heard anything on that note.
> >In addition, there is already online Internet software free that can
> >do translation in a number of languages. So I don't see how
> >or where the ICANN BoD and it's helper, the Berkman Center
> >gets off saying that they cannot provide translation. It is utter
> >nonsense and completely untrue.
> >
> >Javier Rodriguez wrote:
> >
> >> It seems that Dennis wrote in spanish something... but I dont
> >> know what is the theme... maybe his message didnt arrive to
> >> me... anyway "si estimado Dennis... esta lucha o gesta de
> >> formacion vale mucho y por eso no debemos desmayar
> >> en el esfuerzo. Un abrazo. Javier "
> >>
> >> Javier
> >> (sorry for the non spanish speaking people... anyway Spanish
> >> is the second most spoken language in the internet... I
> >> wonder Chinese is not the second one... well what Chinese ?
> >> Mandarin I think... this seems that there is TOO MANY
> >> things to get "Internet for everyone", a long task. Lets work!)
> >>
> >> Javier
> >>
> >> At 11/24/99 10:49:00 PM, you wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Thank you, Jeff.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Y quisiera que Javier me contestaria tambien, con
> >> >>iqual franqueza --- sabiendo que tu, tejano, (como mi
> >> >>amigo difunto)-- tambien gozaba del don de la herencia hispana
> >> >>que le permitia reconocer que esta vida vale mas que
> >> >>el dinero que se gane, o el poder que se acumule.
> >> >>
> >> >>>Dennis (with best holiday wishes to all!)
> >> >
> >> >--
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> Javier Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> AXISNET VicePresident
> >> Peruvian Association of Internet Users and ISPs
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> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >--
> >Jeffrey A. Williams
> >Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
> >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Javier Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AXISNET VicePresident
> Peruvian Association of Internet Users and ISPs
> Other duties: ECOMLAC ISOC -PERU IPCE
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Contact Number: 972-447-1894
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