I tried hard not to respond, but let me respond after all, as this seems to drag on:
This list is an non-voluntary list where all list admins on all Wikimedia mailing lists have access to because of that access.It was set up to ensure that announcements and important discussions reach all list admins. With involuntary lists like this, it is important to keep traffic very low, and limited to topics that are relevant to most or all list admins. If you have a technical problem (lost password, something is broken), phabricator.wikimedia.org is probably the best approach. If you want to have a broad discussion about mailing lists, alternative venues etc - you probably want to have a public discussion, and metawiki is the appropriate venue (or a mailing list like wikimedia-l). This is why people point out when a different venue is more appropriate for a specific email. It is more likely to get the aimed result. I do agree that this pointing out could more effectively happen in private, rather than on the list. Please don't see that as an effort to be rude, but as an effort to keep traffic low and maximal subscription. To be honest, I don't see why this list would not be on full-moderation. Best, Lodewijk 2016-12-03 0:59 GMT+01:00 Isarra Yos <[email protected]>: > The replies were helpful overall. The bringing up both time how this is > going to bother everyone else on the list, however, was unnecessary, > especially the second time. > > > On 02/12/16 23:56, Nkansah Rexford wrote: > > @Isarra > > I hardly see any "rude responses" relating to pointing a subscriber to go > file the issue at the right place. > > I'm still struggling how best again Rob's words could have been and not be > rude. At least, he used "Please" in both his emails. I wouldn't have added > the "Please", trust me! If he gave you that, take it! > > Go file the issue at Phabricator, and that's rude? No one responds, and > the next guy comes complaining why this list isn't helpful. When it gets > helpful, another guy comes saying how "rude" helpful it is. > > rex > > On Friday, December 2, 2016, Isarra Yos <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This is a mailing list. The whole point of most mailing lists is to be a >> place where people can ask questions and move forward. In this case, there >> was a question about what to do about being unable to login - the answer is >> to take it to phabricator, and thank you for giving it, but in the future, >> please be less disparaging about it and do not use all subscribed other >> members as leverage for making people feel bad. This is potentially useful >> information for anyone here that that's the place to go. >> >> It seems like every time something comes up here there are rude responses >> about how people shouldn't be dragging everyone else into it, and frankly I >> find that to be far more annoying than seeing extra messages. >> >> -I >> >> On 30/11/16 18:15, Rob Halsell wrote: >> >> I'd still advise opening a phabricator task. I don't think every list >> admin for every mailman list for WMF wants to follow along on the technical >> support of a single list. >> >> Please go ahead and file a phabricator task, and we can help you from >> there! We'll do the usual of confirming your identity, then setting and >> testing a new list admin password to determine if the login failure is to >> that user, or a local issue. >> >> Hope that helps, >> >> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Saqib Qayyum <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Actually I have retrieved a new password but still cannot login to admin >>> access. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Listadmins <[email protected]> on behalf >>> of Rob Halsell <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:40:44 PM >>> *To:* List for discussions and announcements related to >>> lists.wikimedia.org >>> *Subject:* Re: [List admins] Cant login to list >>> >>> The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the >>> password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of >>> your mailing list, please file a phabricator task >>> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/> and list off >>> #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background >>> comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list >>> ownership. >>> >>> Hope that helps! >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am having issue logging in to admin panel. >>>> >>>> >>>> It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ? >>>> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk >>>> Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authentication >>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk> >>>> lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your >>>> browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Saqib >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Listadmins mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rob Halsell >>> Operations Engineer >>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >>> E-Mail: [email protected] >>> Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 >>> *0245 D22A *Office: 415.839.6885 <(415)%20839-6885> x6620 >>> Fax: 415.882.0495 <(415)%20882-0495> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Listadmins mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Rob Halsell >> Operations Engineer >> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >> E-Mail: [email protected] >> Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 >> *0245 D22A *Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 <(415)%20839-6885> >> Fax: 415.882.0495 <(415)%20882-0495> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Listadmins mailing >> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ > Listadmins mailing > [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins > > > _______________________________________________ > Listadmins mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins > >
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