Hi Lodewijk, If this list was on full moderation, that would put a limit on the ability to have productive discussions, such as the collective discussion not so long ago about a proposal to delete certain emails from the list archives.
I'm fine with any list admin making a reasonably on-topic post to this list. That includes both asking for help, and asking people to use Phabricator in cases where Phabricator is a good option. As a reminder: most people are not obligated to read threads on mailing lists, including this one. If a subject does not interest someone then he/she can simply archive or delete the thread. I am fine with curtailing spam, trolling, and highly off-topic posts. Other than that, I think that if someone subscribes to mailing lists -- and takes the extra step of becoming a mailing list administrator -- then he/she should expect to receive emails, including at least some that may not especially interest him/her but which are somehow related to the list that he/she agreed to moderate. Pine On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: > I tried hard not to respond, but let me respond after all, as this seems > to drag on: > > This list is an non-voluntary list where all list admins on all Wikimedia > mailing lists have access to because of that access.It was set up to ensure > that announcements and important discussions reach all list admins. > > With involuntary lists like this, it is important to keep traffic very > low, and limited to topics that are relevant to most or all list admins. > > If you have a technical problem (lost password, something is broken), > phabricator.wikimedia.org is probably the best approach. If you want to > have a broad discussion about mailing lists, alternative venues etc - you > probably want to have a public discussion, and metawiki is the appropriate > venue (or a mailing list like wikimedia-l). > > This is why people point out when a different venue is more appropriate > for a specific email. It is more likely to get the aimed result. I do agree > that this pointing out could more effectively happen in private, rather > than on the list. Please don't see that as an effort to be rude, but as an > effort to keep traffic low and maximal subscription. > > To be honest, I don't see why this list would not be on full-moderation. > > Best, > Lodewijk > > 2016-12-03 0:59 GMT+01:00 Isarra Yos <[email protected]>: > >> The replies were helpful overall. The bringing up both time how this is >> going to bother everyone else on the list, however, was unnecessary, >> especially the second time. >> >> >> On 02/12/16 23:56, Nkansah Rexford wrote: >> >> @Isarra >> >> I hardly see any "rude responses" relating to pointing a subscriber to go >> file the issue at the right place. >> >> I'm still struggling how best again Rob's words could have been and not >> be rude. At least, he used "Please" in both his emails. I wouldn't have >> added the "Please", trust me! If he gave you that, take it! >> >> Go file the issue at Phabricator, and that's rude? No one responds, and >> the next guy comes complaining why this list isn't helpful. When it gets >> helpful, another guy comes saying how "rude" helpful it is. >> >> rex >> >> On Friday, December 2, 2016, Isarra Yos <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> This is a mailing list. The whole point of most mailing lists is to be a >>> place where people can ask questions and move forward. In this case, there >>> was a question about what to do about being unable to login - the answer is >>> to take it to phabricator, and thank you for giving it, but in the future, >>> please be less disparaging about it and do not use all subscribed other >>> members as leverage for making people feel bad. This is potentially useful >>> information for anyone here that that's the place to go. >>> >>> It seems like every time something comes up here there are rude >>> responses about how people shouldn't be dragging everyone else into it, and >>> frankly I find that to be far more annoying than seeing extra messages. >>> >>> -I >>> >>> On 30/11/16 18:15, Rob Halsell wrote: >>> >>> I'd still advise opening a phabricator task. I don't think every list >>> admin for every mailman list for WMF wants to follow along on the technical >>> support of a single list. >>> >>> Please go ahead and file a phabricator task, and we can help you from >>> there! We'll do the usual of confirming your identity, then setting and >>> testing a new list admin password to determine if the login failure is to >>> that user, or a local issue. >>> >>> Hope that helps, >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Saqib Qayyum <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually I have retrieved a new password but still cannot login to >>>> admin access. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Listadmins <[email protected]> on behalf >>>> of Rob Halsell <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:40:44 PM >>>> *To:* List for discussions and announcements related to >>>> lists.wikimedia.org >>>> *Subject:* Re: [List admins] Cant login to list >>>> >>>> The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the >>>> password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of >>>> your mailing list, please file a phabricator task >>>> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/> and list off >>>> #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background >>>> comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list >>>> ownership. >>>> >>>> Hope that helps! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am having issue logging in to admin panel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ? >>>>> >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk >>>>> Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authentication >>>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk> >>>>> lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your >>>>> browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Saqib >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Listadmins mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rob Halsell >>>> Operations Engineer >>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >>>> E-Mail: [email protected] >>>> Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 >>>> *0245 D22A *Office: 415.839.6885 <(415)%20839-6885> x6620 >>>> Fax: 415.882.0495 <(415)%20882-0495> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Listadmins mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rob Halsell >>> Operations Engineer >>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >>> E-Mail: [email protected] >>> Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 >>> *0245 D22A *Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 <(415)%20839-6885> >>> Fax: 415.882.0495 <(415)%20882-0495> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Listadmins mailing >>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Listadmins mailing >> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Listadmins mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Listadmins mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins > >
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