You might also want to consider adding the mailing list to your contacts for Hotmail. I have found this makes a big difference for Hotmail, even more than filters do.
Risker/Anne On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 at 20:16, Platonides <[email protected]> wrote: > First, I doubt you would get someone to change the hotmail filters. It's > not like they added a manual rule. It works on autopilot. The spamfilter > *learns* that such message is bad. Not even the Microsoft guys really > know how it decides that. And even if the ip address was blocked, the > technicians would just be allowed to "mitigate" the ip, and are not allowed > to deviate from the runbook. > > Second, the migration to mailman3 probably changed them enough so they > "lost" a lot of the reputation it gained through the years. So if may have > learnt that a message with certain wikimedia headers was ok, but mm3 emails > are different enough they don't hit. > > Third, mailman *is* sending spam messages to the list owners. Those are > requested, but they are being sent, so hotmail does have a point. *Do not > mark them as spam*, even if it is a spam sent to <list>- > [email protected], you *want* to receive them, not to make hotmail > learn that email sent by lists.wikimedia.org is spam. > > Mails blocked to the list and sent to the list owners are problematic (and > spammy) enough that I think mailman should offern an option not to include > the full email not passed to the list, but only the subject. But that'd be > a feature request. > In the end, if you are a list admin, you have requested to receive them, > even if they are spammy. You should be able to configure your mail for > that. However, you may be using a provider which doesn't allow that kind of > flexibility. > > By the way, gmail is marking me the previous mails of this list from Leon > Haanstra as: "This message was not sent to Spam because of a filter you > created." (they are not always obeying these filters ☹, but I am glad they > at least allow them). This may be related to gmail considering list mail > flow more spammy than usual, or simply because it's a yahoo.com email > address and thus it fails the silly DMARC policy they added. > > > Regards > > _______________________________________________ > Listadmins mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > To request technical changes for a specific list, please instead create a > task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
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