I took Barney's point to be "if these people have ever swallowed their
own medicine and then developed a site that satisfies anyone"
OK! HR might be about markup not semantics and you have never had to
use it, I am amazed that presentation has no importance at all and go
back to Barney's comment. HR can also says how far above and below
text
will flow. It can end text after a floated element with clear:both. It
is really useful for presentation for humans to divide information
into
sections. I don't give a rats if bots attach no meaning to it.
Tim
On 06/02/2007, at 9:38 PM, Rob Kirton wrote:
> Barney
>
> I can't recall ever finding the need to use an <hr> and never
normally
> consider doing so. It is purely presentational, i.e. it draws a line
> across a page, nothing more, nothing less. It conveys nothing about
> what is above, below or indeed why indeed we have drawn a line.
>
> The major point of semantics is so that documents can be analysed by
> search engines, allowing us to reference later and obtain
information
> (hopefully) with meaning. I realise HTML is never going to fully
> satisfy that, though I can't see us all recording data as RDF tuples
> full time in the near future.
>
> I suspect you will find that no meaning is ever attached to a <br>
by
> a search engine, the only meaning that is attached to it, is one
which
> has been made in the mind of the person who views the page, which is
> purely presentational and has nothing whatsoever to do with
semantics
> .
>
> regards
>
> - Rob
>
>
> On 06/02/07, Barney Carroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > The <section> actually carries semantic weight, and is meant to
be
>> > used carefully... the <div> does not.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-
>> structural.html#edef_structural_section
>> >
>> > Then again, XHTML 2 does have a <separator> element which is just
>> like
>> > <hr>...
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-
>> structural.html#edef_structural_separator
>> >
>> > But you will notice that XHTML 2 has both <div> and <section>,
and
>> > <div> is weightless while <separator> is not.
>>
>> I am intrigued by this. There are those who believe HR is
completely
>> obsolete /on a semantic level/ because, as we all supposedly know,
a
>> document's semantic structure is divided entirely by headings. I
would
>> like to see if these people have ever swallowed their own medicine
and
>> then developed a site that satisfies anyone.
>>
>> Furthermore, surely these people should be horrified at the idea of
>> sections and separators?
>>
>> Occasionally I get tempted to abide by these bizarre rules and
create
>> my
>> heading minefield of a document that will satisfy these monsters
when
>> they switch to the ultimate view-source browsing experience, but
use a
>> display:none class to maintain readability by human beings with an
>> existing culture of literature to consider.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Barney
>>
>>
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