On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Travis Gintz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> so, here's a Q, how is he going to take the pack OUT of series, and
> put it into parallel for charging?
>
> Wouldn't that require a contactor for each battery to take it out of
> series, and some relays to connect to the 12V charger bus?
>
> Or is his system going to be 12V....
>

The diagram is attached. Please note that the 12 fuses in the diagram should
be rated for the full pack voltage.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Johnathan Vail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You are right they will balance each other out and charge to the same
> level but that isn't really what you want.  You want the best charge for
> the individual cell.  Any time you have multiple cells charged together
> the stronger ones will beat up on the weaker ones.


>
In extreme cases with high amp charges one cell will reach max charge
> before the other one and the extra current could cause over heating of the
> electrolyte
>

Maybe in a series string, but maybe not in a parallel configuration.

It is voltage that forces overcharge, and in a parallel configuration of
cells, the voltage would remain constant for each of them.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:32 AM David Herron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One issue I haven't seen Andrew address is ... if you connect in
> parallel two batteries who aren't at the same voltage.. clearly they're
> going to try and equalize when you connect them, so there should be a
> large spark.


The voltage should be close, and I would not expect much current to flow.
Connecting a fully charged battery in parallel with a discharged battery
doesn't cause an alarming amount of current to flow with a big spark. We do
it when we leave car lights on, and need a jump start.

A potential problem I can see is if one battery has a shorted cell than it
may draw a lot of current from the others. This appears to be like
connecting a 5 cell battery in parallel with a 6 cell battery. I imagine
this is a good reason for the fuses in the diagram.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:53 AM Jeffrey Blamey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> If you do the one charger how will you properly charge all the
> batteries to the same level... You are clearly making it harder on
> yourself to have to break the series connections between the
> batteries.
>

At a CV of 14.7v, and a current of <.01CA, a battery is fully charged. If I
wait until the current is .01CA of any one of n number of batteries in
parallel at 14.7v, than that ensures that all of them will be fully charged
before the charger cuts off. Holding the voltage at 14.7v for a 6-cell
battery ensures that it will not be overcharged at room temperature.

The intention is really the same as bank charging. I don't want or care to
charge all of the batteries to the same level, I just need to charge every
cell within the battery to 100%, and prevent cell damage due to
overcharging.

I think I'm making it much easier on myself. I'll have one simple charger
with 1/6 the chance of failure of any one of 6 chargers failing.

Andrew in NM

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