Rick and Kris Thank you.
Yanni Marinated S/V Princess Thalia Columbia 8.7 #73 Hamilton-Fifty Point @ H3 N 43.13.406 W 73.37.431 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Morel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] recent info about Venezuela > At 08:35 AM 8/26/2008, ROBERT ZANUSSI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>This entire thread about guns aboard boats or in your residence or >>hidden on your person is getting into the ridiculous. I am being >>lambasted with all sorts of reasons dating back from the American >>Civil war justifying the possession of guns. >> >>This entire thread started when we had one person report a problem >>with thieves in the Venezuela area and all of a sudden we have to >>arm ourselves to repel boarders. I don't even think that report was >>from personal experience but rather some thing that was heard about. >> >>Then we have another report from someone who is there who says there >>is no problem with thieves boarding their vessels. >> >>Let's put this to the list members, how many of you have needed a >>gun on your boat for protection from human predators? >> >>As for those who have been emailing me stats etc about this offlist >>I will not be responding any further, either here or offlist. > > > REPLY: > > Robert, this subject will never get settled in any way. Everyone is > entitled to their opinion and to have or have-not guns. > > To answer your question. As a retired law enforcement officer, > numerous times on the job. As a private citizen twice, but not on my > boat, and once on my boat. > > There are human predators, as you put it, everywhere in the world in > every country. And they just love the places where people are not > allowed the means to protect themselves. The stats that you hate show > that the crime rate dropped dramatically in those US states that > passed concealed carry laws. The bad guys don't play fair. They want > the guns for themselves and just love folks that think the way you > do. And you are entitled to your opinion as much as they are. Just > don't tell me or anyone else that we have to abide by your rules. > > This reminds me of a friend. He had an open carport and would leave > stuff there. I mentioned he should lock it up. His reply was that he > shouldn't have to, that people shouldn't steal stuff. Well, he had a > lot of stuff stolen until he finally realized that the way it should > be is certainly not the way it is. > > Again, speaking as a cop. If you are going to have a weapon, please > know how to use it and be prepared to use it. Tied for the two most > dangerous things are an unloaded gun and a loaded one that someone > doesn't know how to use or will not use. I guess add to that someone > whose intent is to "wound". That doesn't work. The media is fond of > pointing out that the police are taught to shoot to kill, not to > wound. That's true. We're taught to shoot at body mass. Maybe Roy > Rogers could shoot a gun out of the bad guy's hand, but that's > Hollywood. In the real world, a consistent 11% of the rounds fired > hit the target. Both from the bad guys and the well-trained good guys. > > Re guns, I'm pro choice. It's your choice whether you want one or not. > > Rick > S/V Valkyrie > > > > _______________________________________________ > Liveaboard mailing list > [email protected] > To adjust your membership settings over the web > http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > To search the archives > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 26/08/2008 > 7:09 PM > > > _______________________________________________ Liveaboard mailing list [email protected] To adjust your membership settings over the web http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
