I agree, Corinne.... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY
All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinne Sutter-Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] NYS sales tax, boats > As I recall, the CG documentation number has to be permanently > affixed, in a size not less than (I forget the size), to the hull, > below. I know that at the time we documented the first boat ~ 1999 > there was no requirement to have a sticker outside (nys sticker). > Yes, hailing port on stern, etc. Perhaps the regs have changed since > then. > > Corinne > s/v Beyond > > > > On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Steve Weinstein wrote: > >> In NY, 'bella, I ___think____ the only thing required on the outside >> of the >> hull is the sticker and hailing port. The CG documentation numbers >> can be >> placed anywhere visible, below or otherwise. I've always had them >> displayed >> below and never been 'called' on it. >> >> Steve Weinstein >> S/V CAPTIVA >> 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 >> Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY >> >> All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "'bella" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] NYS sales tax, boats >> >> >>> YOu mean the state reg numbers? Florida requires one to display, >>> still, that small 3x3 stamp somewhere visible..many use the mastbase. >>> I just carry it with me with my paperwork. >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Peter Kafer <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> USCG documentation does not exempt boats from state taxes or >>>> registration >>>> in >>>> states where the boat is owned and/or operated. Many states do not >>>> require >>>> registration of federally documented boats, others do. Taxes are >>>> also >>>> required on a state by state basis. However, if a state requires >>>> registration of a federally documented boat, the boat is not >>>> required >>>> (and >>>> should not) display the state registration. >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Corinne Sutter-Brown <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 10:14:42 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] NYS sales tax, boats >>>> >>>> Our hailing port has been Rochester, NY for almost 10 years (2 >>>> different boats). Both boats were/are USCG documented, NOT >>>> registered >>>> in NYS. The first boat was actually purchased in NYS and present >>>> for >>>> about 1-1/2 years, the second has never been in NYS, though the >>>> legal >>>> address on the documentation is Rochester, NY. We never paid NY tax >>>> on the second (actually, it was self-built, one-off). I don't >>>> remember about the sales tax on the first boat, but probably had to >>>> pay it because it was purchased from a yacht dealer in Youngstown, >>>> NY. But never did we register it with NYS or the DMV. If you have >>>> USCG documentation, you are exempt from registering with your home >>>> state (NY at least). Doesn't matter where you are. Sales tax is a >>>> different issue. Documentation and NYS registration with the DMV >>>> both provide "title" and you only need one, not both. >>>> >>>> Corinne >>>> s/v Beyond >>>> >>>> On Jan 3, 2009, at 3:13 AM, 'bella wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just read something about documentation either in the dec >>>>> practical >>>>> sailor or the jan/feb good old boat issues.. read both on my lunch >>>>> break... one of the comments made was that the states will use a >>>>> hailing port as "proof" that its a boat belonging to XXX state. >>>>> My hailing port is Key West, and I am a lifelong Fla resident.. >>>>> registration on my over 30 yrs old boat is $4/yr... my doc stamps >>>>> or >>>>> whatever you call it is $5... at that rate I am going to go broke >>>>> fast... such hardship.. >>>>> >>>>> HAPPY NEW YRS TO ALL.. My lcd scream has been replaced and i am >>>>> back >>>>> online.. such are the joys of life.. >>>>> 'bella >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Steve Weinstein >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Lee, the operative wording your using below is "alleges that >>>>>> approximately >>>>>> 18 mos after purchase it entered NY". >>>>>> >>>>>> The first question I would have is "did it"? You may have been >>>>>> a NY >>>>>> resident but did the boat physically enter NY waters? If it >>>>>> did, I >>>>>> know for >>>>>> a fact that you're given a 90 day grace period to register it here >>>>>> and I >>>>>> believe that applies to payment of sales tax. >>>>>> >>>>>> But if she never entered NY waters, is currently laying in >>>>>> Florida, >>>>>> and >>>>>> you're now a Florida resident then I think you should be able to >>>>>> make a case >>>>>> for yourself. I don't have it handy at the moment but if you check >>>>>> NYS.gov >>>>>> website I'm sure you'll find a phone number for them to discuss >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> But don't rely on me <g>! I don't work for the state..... >>>>>> >>>>>> S >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve Weinstein >>>>>> S/V CAPTIVA >>>>>> 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 >>>>>> Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY >>>>>> >>>>>> All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Lee Haefele >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:31 PM >>>>>> Subject: [Liveaboard] NYS sales tax, boats >>>>>> I have a boat purchased in BVIs, NYS Sales tax alleges that approx >>>>>> 18 months >>>>>> after purchase, it entered NY. At that time I was a NY >>>>>> resident, but >>>>>> changed to FL soon after. Boat has USCG document, no state >>>>>> registration. >>>>>> All I can find web searching is that no NY registration is req'd >>>>>> unless the >>>>>> boat is used in NY for 90 continuous days. >>>>>> Sales tax law seems to indicate that Tax is due even if boat never >>>>>> entered >>>>>> NY, but tax dept says any entry into NY requires sales tax paid. >>>>>> FL allows 90 days. >>>>>> Anyone know anything about this in NY? >>>>>> Lee H >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Liveaboard mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> To adjust your membership settings over the web >>>>>> http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard >>>>>> To subscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>>> The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/ >>>>>> liveaboard/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To search the archives >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mailman Users Guide can be found here >>>>>> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Liveaboard mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> To adjust your membership settings over the web >>>>>> http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard >>>>>> To subscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>>> The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/ >>>>>> liveaboard/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To search the archives >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mailman Users Guide can be found here >>>>>> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> It's not about the boat it's sails or rigging. It's about the >>>>> freedom. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/jacko91/these-are-my-credentials/ >>>>> >>>>> http://fisherhouse.org/ >>>>> >>>>> http://www.specialops.org/ >>>>> >>>>> "We are the guardians of a great faith. When we believe that >>>>> freedom >>>>> offers the best chance of peace and prosperity for all, and our >>>>> desire >>>>> for peace cannot be seperated from our believe in liberty." Harry >>>>> S. >>>>> Truman >>>>> >>>>> Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, >>>>> illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous >>>>> mainstream >>>>> media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely >>>>> possible >>>>> to pick up a turd by the clean end. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Liveaboard mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> To adjust your membership settings over the web >>>>> http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard >>>>> To subscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>> The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ >>>>> >>>>> To search the archives >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>>>> >>>>> The Mailman Users Guide can be found here >>>>> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Liveaboard mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> To adjust your membership settings over the web >>>> http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard >>>> To subscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ >>>> >>>> To search the archives >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>>> >>>> The Mailman Users Guide can be found here >>>> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Liveaboard mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> To adjust your membership settings over the web >>>> http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard >>>> To subscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ >>>> >>>> To search the archives >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>>> >>>> The Mailman Users Guide can be found here >>>> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> It's not about the boat it's sails or rigging. 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