*@John Serafino,*
Any interest in passing the torch on this toolbar? (If there's a bug report
for this I'd be fine posting there)
http://i.imgur.com/CWYJpkq.png
What I would need is for someone to send the existing files my way so that
I can zip them and email them/attach them back for someone who's actively
working from the source code.
*@Vesa,*
> There's no need to get angry because I disagree with you
As always, thanks for the detailed responses. Please don't confuse
determination for anger. Since you're in charge of the UI stuff, it's up
to you to decide how to use my help and recommendations.
Scrollbars have changed functions over the years and most OSs make them
subtle now, so the new ones in the new version are a step back for me
(regarless if they match the button color or not,* they are too bright*).
In fact, many OSs and application only show the scroll bars if they are
used and they hide away otherwise to maximize screen real estate. Since
the auto-disappearing is highly a function of the windowing environment, at
a minimum I strongly recommend these are changed to a more subtle color
before release.
Here's a history of scrollbars.
http://i.imgur.com/jpdGk.png
How Ubuntu does it:
http://joesteiger.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Screenshot-22.png
How Windows 8 does it:
http://i.imgur.com/VLAhlmL.png
This isn't an opinion as much as it is the way GUI design has matured over
the years. Dismissing pretty obvious recommendations like this is what
makes my feedback feel ignored. And yes, that can be irritating, but I'd
rather move forward however possible, as I can only imagine I've been
equally as abrasive to you.
*@Tobiasz,*
I think we should start some mock-ups in a separate thread. To Vesa's
point, the changes he's made are nearly complete so it's a bit late in the
game for drastic UI changes.
That said I think you and I agree on many UI elements and we could throw
some ideas together without causing too much dialog for this version.
-Tres
- [email protected]
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Vesa <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 01/28/2014 06:36 AM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote:
>
> *[zoom/note/scale/chord:] Those icons have been assigned to John
>> Serafino and we'll just have to wait and see what he makes of them.*
>>
> Ok. The mock-up is just black boxes and should take just a few minutes.
> Let me know if you'd like me to render them, I don't have the source, so
> I'd need someone's assistance on that.
>
>
> It's been assigned to John Serafino, like I said.
>
>
>
>> *I may do slight edits to the transport buttons, but that's
>> definitely not a direction I'm going to take with them. No offense.*
>>
> No offense taken so as long as you understand I'm not critiquing but
> rather trying to help.
>
> The old interface had a bunch of constancy and continuity and seems to
> borrow heavily from the oxygen theme from KDE. The new buttons I strongly
> feel although justifiably better could benefit from some collaboration and
> feedback, much like you so generously offer.
>
> *The auto-scroll has reason to be bright, as it's a toggle button
>> with two distinct states (on/off), and it needs to be obvious with a
>> glance what state it currently is in.*
>>
> Agreed, but it outshines the entire toolbar. It's not more important than
> play.
>
>
> I'll look into it.
>
>
>
>
>> *I think it's better to maintain a consistent style and use the leds
>> we have. A combination of green/red leds is something that is in
>> almost every music software, with a well-established meaning. I seriously
>> doubt that anyone is going to have too much problems understanding what
>> these leds do, as they are.*
>>
> I've composed with a lot of people new to LMMS and those LEDs are
> confusing at first. [M] and [S] help because you aren't stuck wondering
> which LED performs which function.
>
>
> Well yeah, there's lots of things confusing about anything when you're
> first learning it. "User-friendliness" is a two-edged sword. Think of
> things like emacs. I don't use it myself personally but I know people who
> swear by it, who say after getting used to it they couldn't even stand a
> regular, modern-style text editor or IDE, that the interface is simply
> superior when you learn how it works. Yet if you sit up someone who is used
> to graphical IDE's and gedit-style editors in front of emacs, they're
> likely to be very confused and not understand how to do things.
>
> Or think of the first time you opened a software like GIMP, many people
> complain the GIMP interface is hard to understand. But once you learn it,
> there's a whole new world of things you can accomplish.
>
> The LEDs seem to fill their purpose just fine. You only have to try them
> once to figure out what they do. Their functionality becomes easily obvious
> by trial-and-error, or it can be read from the manual (which admittedly
> should be updated). Meanwhile they're clear, nice and stay out of the way
> of the user. They don't clutter the UI, and if you really don't know what
> they do, there's always tooltips. I don't think adding letters to them
> would improve anything, at least not enough to justify cluttering up the
> interface.
>
>
>
>
> The fact that you're so quick to dismiss nearly all of my
> recommendations tells me you aren't interested in changing what you've
> already done.
>
>
> Hey, let's not go there, ok? There's no need to get angry because I
> disagree with you, we can just agree that we disagree on some things. I've
> given you my view on the things you comment on, some of your suggestions I
> agree with and have agreed to look at, others I don't agree with and have
> explained my reasons why.
>
> You can never please everyone on everything, no matter how well you do
> something. Even though the reception for the new UI and theme has been
> mostly positive so far, I'm 100% certain somewhere there's at least one
> person who is going to hate it and would prefer the old theme and look
> back. Someone is going to complain. So it falls to me to gauge which things
> are problematic to many people. And I also have to make some judgement
> calls, because we can't put every single detail up to a vote.
>
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