On 01/28/2014 04:58 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote:
>
>
>
> *@Vesa,*
>
>
> There's no need to get angry because I disagree with you
>
>
> As always, thanks for the detailed responses. Please don't confuse
> determination for anger. Since you're in charge of the UI stuff, it's
> up to you to decide how to use my help and recommendations.
>
> Scrollbars have changed functions over the years and most OSs make
> them subtle now, so the new ones in the new version are a step back
> for me (regarless if they match the button color or not,* they are too
> bright*). In fact, many OSs and application only show the scroll bars
> if they are used and they hide away otherwise to maximize screen real
> estate. Since the auto-disappearing is highly a function of the
> windowing environment, at a minimum I strongly recommend these are
> changed to a more subtle color before release.
>
> Here's a history of scrollbars.
> http://i.imgur.com/jpdGk.png
>
> How Ubuntu does it:
> http://joesteiger.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Screenshot-22.png
>
> How Windows 8 does it:
> http://i.imgur.com/VLAhlmL.png
>
> This isn't an opinion as much as it is the way GUI design has matured
> over the years. Dismissing pretty obvious recommendations like this
> is what makes my feedback feel ignored. And yes, that can be
> irritating, but I'd rather move forward however possible, as I can
> only imagine I've been equally as abrasive to you.
>
>
No Tres, that **IS** an opinion. And do you know what? It's not even a
very popular one.
It's kind of weird to me that you mention Windows 8 and Ubuntu as
examples. Windows 8 is abhorred for its horrible interface, and certain
interface design gurus are tearing it apart for all the various blunders
made in its interface. It's a failure, a flop, and Microsoft fired
people because of it. I don't mean to turn this into an OS war, but
these are plain facts that you can easily check.
As for Ubuntu, its Unity interface hasn't exactly been a unilateral hit.
Unity, when it first arrived, caused controversy and somewhat of an
exodus away from Ubuntu. (Later developments caused even more of that
but that's irrelevant here). The Ayatana scrollbars were one of the main
points of the controversy: a lot of people hated and still hate them.
The web is full of tutorials on how to disable them and bring back sane
scrollbars.
So I wouldn't really bring up these two as examples of what we should
strive for, when it comes to scrollbars. Personally, I even dislike the
scrollbars in Mint's GTK3 theme - the entire theme is so bright, there's
so little contrast between the scrollbar and its background, that on
very bright webpages for example - ones with lots of white, and
especially in the morning when my eyes are still tired/getting used to
the brightness - I sometimes don't see the scrollbars at all without
concentrating hard, and this is quite annoying.
And lastly, you're kind of starting to make me feel a bit uncomfortable
here. I've been trying to address your feedback in a constructive way,
but when you start presenting your opinions as "not an opinion" and
"obvious recommendations", it kind of feels like you're trying to
pressure me into agreeing with you. There is no such thing as "absolute
truth", Tres.
You've made your stance clear, and I will take it in consideration.
However your opinion is not the only one that counts here, and I have to
take in account more viewpoints than yours here.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WatchGuard Dimension instantly turns raw network data into actionable
security intelligence. It gives you real-time visual feedback on key
security issues and trends. Skip the complicated setup - simply import
a virtual appliance and go from zero to informed in seconds.
http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=123612991&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk
_______________________________________________
LMMS-devel mailing list
[email protected]
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel
