Endre,

  JBoss modified log4j to add TRACE.  I mentioned this fact here, 11 days ago, without 
a response from anyone on this list.  Why not simply use JBoss' version of log4j, if 
you require this functionality?  You know, not everyone is psyched about Linus' 
decision-making, but that certainly doesn't stop them from distributing modified 
versions of the Linux kernel.  Some patches get accepted, some don't.  Some people 
complain about it, others write code.

  I haven't given any money to the ASF, and I haven't even bought Ceki's book.  I may 
have contributed one tiny patch to this project at some point.  I do not feel that I 
have the right to demand anything of Ceki or the log4j dev's.

  This list usually has a quite high signal-to-noise ratio.  What did the horse do to 
you?  It's dead.  Leave it alone.

  - Matt

-----Original Message-----
From:   Endre Stølsvik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Mon 11/10/2003 9:57 AM
To:     Log4J Developers List
Cc:     
Subject:        Re: So what happened with trace?
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Ceki Gülcü wrote:

| While everyone is very much encouraged make contributions, this does
| not mean that we (the developers) have to immediately agree with every
| request. In the particular case of the TRACE level, I think more time
| is needed to reach a decision.

Seen the pdf from jboss' lawyers? ("geronimo-dev")

They're using jboss' Trace level extension to log4j as an exhibit - =since
apparently also Geronimo is making this extension=!!
  That's cute; even Apache's internal projects have to extend the log4j
package with trace (even the largest such project ever in Apache's Java
history?), since the log4j developers/maintainers refuse to add it.

So both Jboss and Geronimo have to extend log4j by adding trace - two
quite "largish" Java projects. Is that valid as an argument for including
that level?

E.

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