On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams <nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net>wrote:

> Matt,
>
> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my
> finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support,
> it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five
> days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)—you?
>
> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which days
I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the same ones.


> I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was thinking
> about these four:
>
> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
>
> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the ideas I
had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I have the least
experience with the myriad Java EE technologies out of those four.


> Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on
> which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j
> would be great!
>
> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with one as
your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.

> Nick
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
> > I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a
> talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone
> else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the
> neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use
> logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using
> informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different
> levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help
> make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented,
> creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.),
> and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but
> it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what
> levels of expertise.
> >
> > Matt Sicker
> >
> >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right
> now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting
> committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do
> everything it can to help you get there. Email them at t...@apache.org.
> >>
> >> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to
> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from
> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a
> summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're
> covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
> >>
> >> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for
> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking
> for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split
> the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms
> and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking
> out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only
> share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
> >>
> >> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I
> asked Rich.
> >>
> >> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great
> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
> >>>
> >>> - What exactly is a project summit?
> >>
> >> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of
> one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction
> of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is
> whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are
> together in a room to make it happen.
> >>
> >>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on
> the normal days?
> >>
> >> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main
> difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements -
> more of a training class than an overview.
> >>
> >>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but
> it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any
> Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference,
> right?
> >>
> >> Rich: That's correct.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on
> April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full
> day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
> >>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for
> /committers/?
> >>
> >> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
> >>
> >>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone
> (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April
> 11th as well)?
> >>
> >> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
> >>
> >>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or
> 11th?
> >>
> >> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the
> project, and no extra fee is charged.
> >>
> >>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that
> means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means
> 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
> >>
> >> Rich: That is correct.
> >>
> >>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on
> Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of
> Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ralph
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> grobme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
> >>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging
> frameworks.
> >>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Christian
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
> >>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
> >>>>> @grobmeier
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