And I'm not trying to suggest "A" is a mediocre choice. Maybe moderate would be a better word. A was actually my first choice, so take anything I say with a grain of salt.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Bruce Brouwer <bruce.brou...@gmail.com> wrote: > I always thought I liked STV, but here I see this interesting phenomenon. > If there are are two polarizing candidates that people either love or hate, > the mediocre candidates that people would be most generally happy with get > eliminated. Just for fun, I ran that tool with D as an option and A was the > clear winner. > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> > wrote: > >> Although logo D “won” in the STV results below (and it was my first >> choice), I think A should actually be the winner. So no, I don’t think we >> are good yet. >> >> Ralph >> >> >> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So we're good then? Logo D? >> >> >> On 6 June 2014 16:15, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: >> >>> I don’t think a runoff is needed. If you look at round 2 in the STV >>> results it looks to me that H should have been eliminated instead of A. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'd support A in the case of a run-off vote. It has a number 2 in it >>> rather subtly :) >>> >>> >>> On 6 June 2014 15:45, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6 Jun 2014, at 22:13, Paul Benedict wrote: >>>> >>>>> By nonbonding, Ralph means to say there is no secured money behind my >>>>> vote. >>>>> >>>> >>>> hahaha :-) It took me almost a minute to find the joke :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Ralph Goers < >>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I should also add that the results below do not include Paul’s >>>>>> nonbonding >>>>>> vote. He selected A as his top choice which would have given it the >>>>>> most >>>>>> first place votes. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> As the "winner" of this contest I would like to offer to reconsider. >>>> When I look on the votes below, it looks like some of the voters really >>>> dislike >>>> my version of the logo - its more love or hate it. >>>> >>>> Logo A on the other side seems to be "Ok" for most of us, some liking >>>> it more >>>> than others. >>>> >>>> With that being said, I would prefer to have a logo which works for us >>>> "most" >>>> than one which is loved by 50% and hated by the other 50%. >>>> >>>> In addition I think Murads logo is more artistic than mine. >>>> >>>> Now, if others agree I would be fine with: >>>> >>>> - just choosing A as it feels more like a real consensus >>>> - doing a A vs D vote to make sure what people want >>>> >>>> I know this was maybe not covered by the rules, if you see that the >>>> "winner" >>>> has no problem with a run off vote... personally I think we should do >>>> that. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Christian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ralph >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:03 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Below are the results from STV as calculated by >>>>>> http://paul-lockett.co.uk/stv.html. This indicates that D is the >>>>>> winning >>>>>> logo. However, after looking at the votes it isn’t clear to me why A >>>>>> isn’t >>>>>> the winner as it had more first and second place votes. also, if you >>>>>> go >>>>>> through the votes and rank A and D based on which is ranked highest >>>>>> in each >>>>>> vote you would get A - 4, D - 3. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ralph >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> SINGLE TRANSFERABLE VOTE COUNTER >>>>>> *Candidates=9 Seats=1 Votes=7 Quota=3.5* >>>>>> >>>>>> Raw votes >>>>>> vote 1: (D) (A) (B) (I) (E) (F) (H) (G) (C) >>>>>> vote 2: (D) (B) (A) (H) (C) (I) (E) (F) (G) >>>>>> vote 3: (H) (E) (F) (A) (B) (C) (I) (G) (D) >>>>>> vote 4: (G) (C) (D) (I) (H) (F) (A) (B) (E) >>>>>> vote 5: (H) (G) (I) (A) (E) (F) (B) (D) (C) >>>>>> vote 6: (A) (C) (B) (H) (G) (D) (I) (E) (F) >>>>>> vote 7: (A) (B) (D) (H) (C) (E) (F) (G) (I) >>>>>> *Round 1 votes* >>>>>> >>>>>> vote 1: (D) (A) (B) (I) (E) (F) (H) (G) (C) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 2: (D) (B) (A) (H) (C) (I) (E) (F) (G) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 3: (H) (E) (F) (A) (B) (C) (I) (G) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 4: (G) (C) (D) (I) (H) (F) (A) (B) (E) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 5: (H) (G) (I) (A) (E) (F) (B) (D) (C) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 6: (A) (C) (B) (H) (G) (D) (I) (E) (F) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 7: (A) (B) (D) (H) (C) (E) (F) (G) (I) vote value = 1 >>>>>> A = 2 >>>>>> B = 0 >>>>>> C = 0 >>>>>> D = 2 >>>>>> E = 0 >>>>>> F = 0 >>>>>> G = 1 >>>>>> H = 2 >>>>>> I = 0 >>>>>> >>>>>> Fewest votes won by a candidate = 1. >>>>>> Number of candidates with the fewest votes = 1. >>>>>> G is eliminated. >>>>>> *Round 2 votes* >>>>>> >>>>>> vote 1: (D) (A) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 2: (D) (A) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 3: (H) (A) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 4: (D) (H) (A) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 5: (H) (A) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 6: (A) (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 7: (A) (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>> A = 2 >>>>>> B = 0 >>>>>> C = 0 >>>>>> D = 3 >>>>>> E = 0 >>>>>> F = 0 >>>>>> G = 0 >>>>>> H = 2 >>>>>> I = 0 >>>>>> >>>>>> Fewest votes won by a candidate = 2. >>>>>> Number of candidates with the fewest votes = 2. >>>>>> The tiebreaker loser is A. >>>>>> A is eliminated. >>>>>> *Round 3 votes* >>>>>> >>>>>> vote 1: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 2: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 3: (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 4: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 5: (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 6: (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>> vote 7: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>> A = 0 >>>>>> B = 0 >>>>>> C = 0 >>>>>> D = 4 >>>>>> E = 0 >>>>>> F = 0 >>>>>> G = 0 >>>>>> H = 3 >>>>>> I = 0 >>>>>> >>>>>> Most votes currently held by a candidate = 4. >>>>>> Number of candidates with the greatest number of votes = 1. >>>>>> D has exceeded the quota and is elected. If there are seats remaining >>>>>> to >>>>>> be filled, the surplus will now be reallocated. >>>>>> *The election is complete and the elected candidates are (D).* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> My vote: ABDHCEFGI >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3 Jun 2014, at 22:08, Ralph Goers wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is time to select a logo. The list of candidates can be found at >>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/logging/Log4jLogoNominations as those having >>>>>> at >>>>>> least two supporters and are arbitrarily identified as A through I. >>>>>> >>>>>> This vote will use STV to calculate the results. This means your vote >>>>>> should consist of from 1 to 9 letters identifying the logos in order >>>>>> of >>>>>> preference from first to last. >>>>>> >>>>>> The key idea to keep in mind is that the ordering of your votes is >>>>>> crucial. Those who you *really* want to be elected should be at the >>>>>> beginning/start of the list. For example: >>>>>> >>>>>> Aragorn, Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, Sauron, Gandalf, Treebeard, Gollum, Gimli >>>>>> >>>>>> means that you really want Aragorn to be elected (he’s your primary >>>>>> preferred person), followed by Frodo (you want Frodo on the board >>>>>> more than >>>>>> you want Bilbo, Sam and Sauron, but not as much as you want Aragorn), >>>>>> followed by Bilbo, etc… >>>>>> >>>>>> In this vote only the top logo will be selected but STV will identify >>>>>> the >>>>>> winner using all the votes. >>>>>> >>>>>> This vote will remain open for 72 hours. In accordance with the rules >>>>>> listed in LOG4J2-316 votes of all Logging committers are binding. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL >>>>>> @grobmeier >>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL >>>> @grobmeier >>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >> >> >> > > > -- > > > Bruce Brouwer > about.me/bruce.brouwer > [image: Bruce Brouwer on about.me] > <http://about.me/bruce.brouwer> > -- Bruce Brouwer about.me/bruce.brouwer [image: Bruce Brouwer on about.me] <http://about.me/bruce.brouwer>
