Users can rely on the fact that loggers are always Serializable. I guess we could also document that fact if we don't want to mark the interface Serializable.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: > What advantage is gained by declaring the interface Serializable? > > Ralph > > On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com> > wrote: > > I don't think we should limit ourselves to what we add to the API just for > the sake of alternative implementations. > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I do not think you want to _force_ all implementation to be serializable. >> Serialization is not a main feature of loggers, logging is. >> >> Gary >> >> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >> >>> But if this is a feature that is useful for some users, why not fully >>> advertise it by making the Logger interface Serializable? >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> It's Serializable because there was a feature request for it. The jira >>>> ticket is internal (reported by Gary), but I recall either another bug or a >>>> mailing list post where the justification was so that serializable classes >>>> can still use a Logger instance field (not everyone uses a static field for >>>> the Logger for some reason). >>>> >>>> On 21 July 2016 at 11:32, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I asked myself the same question and I guess the answer is that Logger >>>>> is included in lots of classes, many of which are Serializable. It would >>>>> be >>>>> easier for us to make AbstractLogger Serializable then for all the users >>>>> to >>>>> mark it as transient and have to manually instantiate the Logger during >>>>> de-Serialization. >>>>> >>>>> Ralph >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So then why is AbstractLogger, and our implementation in log4j-core, >>>>> Serializable? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I do not think there is a way to know what folks are doing out >>>>>> there... >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Are there any providers not using AbstractLogger? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Probably to leave the decision on whether to support serialization >>>>>>>> to each provider. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2016 3:14 AM, "Mikael Ståldal" < >>>>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AbstractLogger is Serializable, but the Logger interface is not. >>>>>>>>> Why is it so? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> [image: MagineTV] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Mikael Ståldal* >>>>>>>>> Senior software developer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Magine TV* >>>>>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com >>>>>>>>> Grev Turegatan 3 | 114 46 Stockholm, Sweden | www.magine.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Privileged and/or Confidential Information may be contained in >>>>>>>>> this message. 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