It seems like serializable logger is useful in Apache Spark, which is popular to use from Scala.
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Do Scala programmers use Serializable a lot, or is there a better > mechanism there? Because if there's a more Scala way of doing it, that > would make more sense. Otherwise, you can always add Serializable later, > but you shouldn't remove it once it's part of the public API. > > On 25 July 2016 at 03:06, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com> > wrote: > >> I am asking this since I'm considering making the Scala Logger wrapper >> Serializable. Would that be a good idea? >> >> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >> >>> Users can rely on the fact that loggers are always Serializable. >>> >>> I guess we could also document that fact if we don't want to mark the >>> interface Serializable. >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> What advantage is gained by declaring the interface Serializable? >>>> >>>> Ralph >>>> >>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't think we should limit ourselves to what we add to the API just >>>> for the sake of alternative implementations. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I do not think you want to _force_ all implementation to be >>>>> serializable. Serialization is not a main feature of loggers, logging is. >>>>> >>>>> Gary >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> But if this is a feature that is useful for some users, why not fully >>>>>> advertise it by making the Logger interface Serializable? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's Serializable because there was a feature request for it. The >>>>>>> jira ticket is internal (reported by Gary), but I recall either another >>>>>>> bug >>>>>>> or a mailing list post where the justification was so that serializable >>>>>>> classes can still use a Logger instance field (not everyone uses a >>>>>>> static >>>>>>> field for the Logger for some reason). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 July 2016 at 11:32, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I asked myself the same question and I guess the answer is that >>>>>>>> Logger is included in lots of classes, many of which are Serializable. >>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>> would be easier for us to make AbstractLogger Serializable then for >>>>>>>> all the >>>>>>>> users to mark it as transient and have to manually instantiate the >>>>>>>> Logger >>>>>>>> during de-Serialization. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >>>>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So then why is AbstractLogger, and our implementation in >>>>>>>> log4j-core, Serializable? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do not think there is a way to know what folks are doing out >>>>>>>>> there... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >>>>>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are there any providers not using AbstractLogger? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Probably to leave the decision on whether to support >>>>>>>>>>> serialization to each provider. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2016 3:14 AM, "Mikael Ståldal" < >>>>>>>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> AbstractLogger is Serializable, but the Logger interface is >>>>>>>>>>>> not. 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