It feels like we need an epic to get our overall story straight on serialization, including docs on what works, doesn't, and what we plan to have working.
Gary On Jul 25, 2016 1:06 AM, "Mikael Ståldal" <mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: > I am asking this since I'm considering making the Scala Logger wrapper > Serializable. Would that be a good idea? > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Mikael Ståldal < > mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: > >> Users can rely on the fact that loggers are always Serializable. >> >> I guess we could also document that fact if we don't want to mark the >> interface Serializable. >> >> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >> wrote: >> >>> What advantage is gained by declaring the interface Serializable? >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I don't think we should limit ourselves to what we add to the API just >>> for the sake of alternative implementations. >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I do not think you want to _force_ all implementation to be >>>> serializable. Serialization is not a main feature of loggers, logging is. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> But if this is a feature that is useful for some users, why not fully >>>>> advertise it by making the Logger interface Serializable? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's Serializable because there was a feature request for it. The >>>>>> jira ticket is internal (reported by Gary), but I recall either another >>>>>> bug >>>>>> or a mailing list post where the justification was so that serializable >>>>>> classes can still use a Logger instance field (not everyone uses a static >>>>>> field for the Logger for some reason). >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21 July 2016 at 11:32, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I asked myself the same question and I guess the answer is that >>>>>>> Logger is included in lots of classes, many of which are Serializable. >>>>>>> It >>>>>>> would be easier for us to make AbstractLogger Serializable then for all >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> users to mark it as transient and have to manually instantiate the >>>>>>> Logger >>>>>>> during de-Serialization. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >>>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So then why is AbstractLogger, and our implementation in log4j-core, >>>>>>> Serializable? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not think there is a way to know what folks are doing out >>>>>>>> there... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >>>>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are there any providers not using AbstractLogger? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Probably to leave the decision on whether to support >>>>>>>>>> serialization to each provider. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2016 3:14 AM, "Mikael Ståldal" < >>>>>>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> AbstractLogger is Serializable, but the Logger interface is not. >>>>>>>>>>> Why is it so? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> [image: MagineTV] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Mikael Ståldal* >>>>>>>>>>> Senior software developer >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Magine TV* >>>>>>>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com >>>>>>>>>>> Grev Turegatan 3 | 114 46 Stockholm, Sweden | www.magine.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Privileged and/or Confidential Information may be contained in >>>>>>>>>>> this message. 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