When I first read the subject I thought this is a late april fool's.
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I agree with Fernando, I was under the assumption that the LPIC certs are for professionals to prove their knowledge and not for people new to Linux.
The argument that it is too difficult to learn may count for Linux Essentials where they had already kids taking the exam, but for LPIC 1 - 3?
I have never seen a sysadmin, dev ops, software test engineer, developer who cannot operate vi, this is why I am very surprised about this discussion.
If I would have to hire a new sysadmin (no matter if junior or senior) and realize he/she is not familiar with vi I would have serious doubts.
Ian's and Anselm's suggestions are a fair compromise, this will at least help beginneres to survive, even though I do not see a reason to reduce the weight.
Nevertheless, an important point is to keep the reputation of the certificates at it's high standard, removing content from certifications for professionals just because it is too complicated for beginners is not an option from my point of view.
Cheers,
Julia
Gesendet: Montag, 04. April 2016 um 22:50 Uhr
Von: "Fernando Roca" <[email protected]>
An: "General discussion relating to LPI." <[email protected]>
Betreff: Re: [lpi-discuss] is it time to remove "vi" from the exam?
Von: "Fernando Roca" <[email protected]>
An: "General discussion relating to LPI." <[email protected]>
Betreff: Re: [lpi-discuss] is it time to remove "vi" from the exam?
This is just what you think, for what I think whatever anyone needs is not the same as you state, because what you are exposing is not what a sysadmin do with vi, I know several sysadmins (being one myself), none of them uses nano, kate or whatever, everyone uses vi (speaking about text editors) .
I agree anyone should be free to use his fauvorite editor of course, I dont agree with the argument of vi being usefull just for editing C source code (no sense here). Learn vi, know vi (at least the basics), and if you want use another editor, you will come back to vi later when you improve your skills and your capabilities (or maybe you wouldnt, but this way you had the chance to make a proper decision with a good base of knowledge).
KDE kate ? a X editor ? OMG sysadmin use a plain text terminal 99% of time.
What you forget is that LPI is suposed ot be a linux sysadmin cert, not a regular user cert.
You make the mistake of thinking that your preferences are the desires of sysadmins or the better for them, but its not, come on, be serious, anyone would even consider to hire a linux/unix syadmin who doesnt even have basics vi skills ? I would remark vi skills arent even a requirement , but a basic !
Regards
2016-04-04 21:36 GMT+02:00 Anselm Lingnau <[email protected]>:
Fernando Roca wrote:
> vi is powerfull, plenty of options and capabilities, other
> editors (nano, pic etc) may seem easier (I wouldnt say they are easier but
> just diferent) but do not fullfill vi capabilities and power.
Nobody needs vi's “capabilities and power” if all they want to do is edit two
lines in a crontab file. For that, vi's “capabilities and power” are
essentially irrelevant. Things might be different if you write documents or
source code of considerable length and/or complexity, but there are literally
dozens of editors now which are just as capable or more so.
Everyone should be free to use vi if that is really what they want, but we
shouldn't require people to learn vi to a point where they can write and edit
a 100,000-line C program, using all the great and unique features of vi that
help with editing 100,000-line C programs, when all they really want to do as
root is change a few lines in a configuration file, and when to write larger
documents from scratch they prefer something like KDE's kate (which is a very
good editor these days).
> For what I think vi will be alive forever, and I wouldnt want it in any
> other way :) (that last sentence is just my personal though)
Nobody wants to take vi away from you. We just don't see the need to force it
on anyone else just because you like it.
Anselm
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