Hi,
Vi/Vim is the Nr1 editor for the console driven system administration.
Vi/Vim is the Nr1 editor for the console driven system administration.
For the conslole programming Emacs is Nr1, Vim is Nr2.
Anybody who use Linux Proffesionally may use what they like, if they use GUI,
then thy use GUI.
Those useinge console driven unix for their daily broad use
Vim, Emacs, sometimes mc(as in midnite commander, but carefull with it ).
My Vote is Vim should be preserved and thoroughly propagated!
Thumbs up Julia!
Leonid (LPIC3)
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Anybody who use Linux Proffesionally may use what they like, if they use GUI,
then thy use GUI.
Those useinge console driven unix for their daily broad use
Vim, Emacs, sometimes mc(as in midnite commander, but carefull with it ).
My Vote is Vim should be preserved and thoroughly propagated!
Thumbs up Julia!
Leonid (LPIC3)
P.S. Reacted to this: |
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Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 22:10:46 +0200
From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm.ling...@linupfront.de>
Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] is it time to remove "vi" from the exam?
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Julia B?tow wrote:
> I have never seen a sysadmin, dev ops, software test engineer, developer who
> cannot operate vi, this is why I am very surprised about this discussion.
> If I would have to hire a new sysadmin (no matter if junior or senior) and
> realize he/she is not familiar with vi I would have serious doubts.
There is much more to being a Linux professional than what editor one uses.
Personally I know just enough vi to pass LPIC-1, simply because I've never
felt the need to do a deep dive into the guts of that particular dinosaur, but
with 30+ years of experience as a Unix/Linux sysadmin, developer, consultant
and instructor, as well as the author of several books and a widely acclaimed
set of Linux training manuals, I would laugh in the face of anyone who claimed
I wasn't a real Linux professional just because I don't use vi when I can in
any way avoid it.
> Ian's and Anselm's suggestions are a fair compromise, this will at least
> help beginneres to survive, even though I do not see a reason to reduce the
> weight. Nevertheless, an important point is to keep the reputation of the
> certificates at it's high standard, removing content from certifications
> for professionals just because it is too complicated for beginners is not
> an option from my point of view.
I don't think vi is ?too complicated?. People can learn it if they have to.
The point is that today they no longer have to, and their available time is
more profitably spent learning other, more important things.
For example, right now the LPI-101 exam contains 3 questions on vi and a total
of 6 questions that deal with system startup, init systems and so on. The
objectives in question include System-V init, Upstart, systemd and a grab-bag
of other things such as wall. These weights haven't changed significantly
since the widespread adoption of systemd, which is now the default in all
mainstream Linux distributions and brings with it a large swathe of material
that wasn't on the exam before but is essential to know for the administrators
of systemd-based hosts. In my opinion it would therefore make a lot of sense
to downgrade vi and use the weight points thus gained to increase the depth of
coverage of systemd.
Anselm
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:08:37 +0200
From: Fernando Roca <ashto...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] is it time to remove "vi" from the exam?
To: "General discussion relating to LPI." <lpi-discuss@lpi.org>
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Nobody would say you are not a linux profesional because you dont use vi
since thats a personal preference, thats not what the previous comment
said... what the previous comment said is that you are not a linux
profesional or at least not one to take into consideration if you dont know
vi to a certain level (which level is another discusion).
Regards
2016-04-05 22:10 GMT+02:00 Anselm Lingnau <anselm.ling...@linupfront.de>:
> Julia B?tow wrote:
>
> > I have never seen a sysadmin, dev ops, software test engineer, developer
> who
> > cannot operate vi, this is why I am very surprised about this discussion.
> > If I would have to hire a new sysadmin (no matter if junior or senior)
> and
> > realize he/she is not familiar with vi I would have serious doubts.
>
> There is much more to being a Linux professional than what editor one uses.
>
> Personally I know just enough vi to pass LPIC-1, simply because I've never
> felt the need to do a deep dive into the guts of that particular dinosaur,
> but
> with 30+ years of experience as a Unix/Linux sysadmin, developer,
> consultant
> and instructor, as well as the author of several books and a widely
> acclaimed
> set of Linux training manuals, I would laugh in the face of anyone who
> claimed
> I wasn't a real Linux professional just because I don't use vi when I can
> in
> any way avoid it.
>
> > Ian's and Anselm's suggestions are a fair compromise, this will at least
> > help beginneres to survive, even though I do not see a reason to reduce
> the
> > weight. Nevertheless, an important point is to keep the reputation of the
> > certificates at it's high standard, removing content from certifications
> > for professionals just because it is too complicated for beginners is not
> > an option from my point of view.
>
> I don't think vi is ?too complicated?. People can learn it if they have to.
> The point is that today they no longer have to, and their available time is
> more profitably spent learning other, more important things.
>
> For example, right now the LPI-101 exam contains 3 questions on vi and a
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Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 22:10:46 +0200
From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm.ling...@linupfront.de>
Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] is it time to remove "vi" from the exam?
To: lpi-discuss@lpi.org
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Julia B?tow wrote:
> I have never seen a sysadmin, dev ops, software test engineer, developer who
> cannot operate vi, this is why I am very surprised about this discussion.
> If I would have to hire a new sysadmin (no matter if junior or senior) and
> realize he/she is not familiar with vi I would have serious doubts.
There is much more to being a Linux professional than what editor one uses.
Personally I know just enough vi to pass LPIC-1, simply because I've never
felt the need to do a deep dive into the guts of that particular dinosaur, but
with 30+ years of experience as a Unix/Linux sysadmin, developer, consultant
and instructor, as well as the author of several books and a widely acclaimed
set of Linux training manuals, I would laugh in the face of anyone who claimed
I wasn't a real Linux professional just because I don't use vi when I can in
any way avoid it.
> Ian's and Anselm's suggestions are a fair compromise, this will at least
> help beginneres to survive, even though I do not see a reason to reduce the
> weight. Nevertheless, an important point is to keep the reputation of the
> certificates at it's high standard, removing content from certifications
> for professionals just because it is too complicated for beginners is not
> an option from my point of view.
I don't think vi is ?too complicated?. People can learn it if they have to.
The point is that today they no longer have to, and their available time is
more profitably spent learning other, more important things.
For example, right now the LPI-101 exam contains 3 questions on vi and a total
of 6 questions that deal with system startup, init systems and so on. The
objectives in question include System-V init, Upstart, systemd and a grab-bag
of other things such as wall. These weights haven't changed significantly
since the widespread adoption of systemd, which is now the default in all
mainstream Linux distributions and brings with it a large swathe of material
that wasn't on the exam before but is essential to know for the administrators
of systemd-based hosts. In my opinion it would therefore make a lot of sense
to downgrade vi and use the weight points thus gained to increase the depth of
coverage of systemd.
Anselm
--
Anselm Lingnau ? Linup Front GmbH (MAX21) ? Linux- & Open-Source-Schulungen
anselm.ling...@linupfront.de, +49(0)6151-9067-0, Fax -299, www.linupfront.de
Robert-Koch-Str. 9, 64331 Weiterstadt Post: Postf. 100121, 64201 Darmstadt DE
Sitz: Weiterstadt (AG Darmstadt, HRB7705) Geschf: Oliver Michel, Nils Manegold
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:08:37 +0200
From: Fernando Roca <ashto...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] is it time to remove "vi" from the exam?
To: "General discussion relating to LPI." <lpi-discuss@lpi.org>
Message-ID:
<cae3l3-9p3rd+hhgkgbjjmscoexpt6sfay+tgbvufuhdaokq...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Nobody would say you are not a linux profesional because you dont use vi
since thats a personal preference, thats not what the previous comment
said... what the previous comment said is that you are not a linux
profesional or at least not one to take into consideration if you dont know
vi to a certain level (which level is another discusion).
Regards
2016-04-05 22:10 GMT+02:00 Anselm Lingnau <anselm.ling...@linupfront.de>:
> Julia B?tow wrote:
>
> > I have never seen a sysadmin, dev ops, software test engineer, developer
> who
> > cannot operate vi, this is why I am very surprised about this discussion.
> > If I would have to hire a new sysadmin (no matter if junior or senior)
> and
> > realize he/she is not familiar with vi I would have serious doubts.
>
> There is much more to being a Linux professional than what editor one uses.
>
> Personally I know just enough vi to pass LPIC-1, simply because I've never
> felt the need to do a deep dive into the guts of that particular dinosaur,
> but
> with 30+ years of experience as a Unix/Linux sysadmin, developer,
> consultant
> and instructor, as well as the author of several books and a widely
> acclaimed
> set of Linux training manuals, I would laugh in the face of anyone who
> claimed
> I wasn't a real Linux professional just because I don't use vi when I can
> in
> any way avoid it.
>
> > Ian's and Anselm's suggestions are a fair compromise, this will at least
> > help beginneres to survive, even though I do not see a reason to reduce
> the
> > weight. Nevertheless, an important point is to keep the reputation of the
> > certificates at it's high standard, removing content from certifications
> > for professionals just because it is too complicated for beginners is not
> > an option from my point of view.
>
> I don't think vi is ?too complicated?. People can learn it if they have to.
> The point is that today they no longer have to, and their available time is
> more profitably spent learning other, more important things.
>
> For example, right now the LPI-101 exam contains 3 questions on vi and a
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