2016-04-08 11:22 GMT-03:00 Leonid Heidt <leonid.he...@gmx.net>: > Hi, > > Vi/Vim is the Nr1 editor for the console driven system administration. > > For the conslole programming Emacs is Nr1, Vim is Nr2. > > Anybody who use Linux Proffesionally may use what they like, if they use > GUI, > > then thy use GUI. > > Those useinge console driven unix for their daily broad use > > Vim, Emacs, sometimes mc(as in midnite commander, but carefull with it ). > > My Vote is Vim should be preserved and thoroughly propagated! > > Thumbs up Julia! > > Leonid (LPIC3) > > P.S. 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(Ian Shields) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 22:10:46 +0200 > From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm.ling...@linupfront.de> > Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] is it time to remove "vi" from the exam? > To: lpi-discuss@lpi.org > Message-ID: <58409628.nfvi9Xj1y1@ceol> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Julia B?tow wrote: > > > I have never seen a sysadmin, dev ops, software test engineer, developer > who > > cannot operate vi, this is why I am very surprised about this discussion. > > If I would have to hire a new sysadmin (no matter if junior or senior) > and > > realize he/she is not familiar with vi I would have serious doubts. > > There is much more to being a Linux professional than what editor one uses. > > Personally I know just enough vi to pass LPIC-1, simply because I've never > felt the need to do a deep dive into the guts of that particular dinosaur, > but > with 30+ years of experience as a Unix/Linux sysadmin, developer, > consultant > and instructor, as well as the author of several books and a widely > acclaimed > set of Linux training manuals, I would laugh in the face of anyone who > claimed > I wasn't a real Linux professional just because I don't use vi when I can > in > any way avoid it. > > > Ian's and Anselm's suggestions are a fair compromise, this will at least > > help beginneres to survive, even though I do not see a reason to reduce > the > > weight. Nevertheless, an important point is to keep the reputation of the > > certificates at it's high standard, removing content from certifications > > for professionals just because it is too complicated for beginners is not > > an option from my point of view. > > I don't think vi is ?too complicated?. People can learn it if they have to. > The point is that today they no longer have to, and their available time is > more profitably spent learning other, more important things. > > For example, right now the LPI-101 exam contains 3 questions on vi and a > total > of 6 questions that deal with system startup, init systems and so on. The > objectives in question include System-V init, Upstart, systemd and a > grab-bag > of other things such as wall. These weights haven't changed significantly > since the widespread adoption of systemd, which is now the default in all > mainstream Linux distributions and brings with it a large swathe of > material > that wasn't on the exam before but is essential to know for the > administrators > of systemd-based hosts. In my opinion it would therefore make a lot of > sense > to downgrade vi and use the weight points thus gained to increase the > depth of > coverage of systemd. > > Anselm > -- > Anselm Lingnau ? Linup Front GmbH (MAX21) ? Linux- & Open-Source-Schulungen > anselm.ling...@linupfront.de, +49(0)6151-9067-0, Fax -299, > www.linupfront.de > <https://deref-gmx.net/mail/client/dereferrer/?redirectUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linupfront.de> > Robert-Koch-Str. 9, 64331 Weiterstadt Post: Postf. 100121, 64201 Darmstadt > DE > Sitz: Weiterstadt (AG Darmstadt, HRB7705) Geschf: Oliver Michel, Nils > Manegold > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:08:37 +0200 > From: Fernando Roca <ashto...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] is it time to remove "vi" from the exam? > To: "General discussion relating to LPI." <lpi-discuss@lpi.org> > Message-ID: > <cae3l3-9p3rd+hhgkgbjjmscoexpt6sfay+tgbvufuhdaokq...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Nobody would say you are not a linux profesional because you dont use vi > since thats a personal preference, thats not what the previous comment > said... what the previous comment said is that you are not a linux > profesional or at least not one to take into consideration if you dont know > vi to a certain level (which level is another discusion). > > Regards > > 2016-04-05 22:10 GMT+02:00 Anselm Lingnau <anselm.ling...@linupfront.de>: > > > Julia B?tow wrote: > > > > > I have never seen a sysadmin, dev ops, software test engineer, > developer > > who > > > cannot operate vi, this is why I am very surprised about this > discussion. > > > If I would have to hire a new sysadmin (no matter if junior or senior) > > and > > > realize he/she is not familiar with vi I would have serious doubts. > > > > There is much more to being a Linux professional than what editor one > uses. > > > > Personally I know just enough vi to pass LPIC-1, simply because I've > never > > felt the need to do a deep dive into the guts of that particular > dinosaur, > > but > > with 30+ years of experience as a Unix/Linux sysadmin, developer, > > consultant > > and instructor, as well as the author of several books and a widely > > acclaimed > > set of Linux training manuals, I would laugh in the face of anyone who > > claimed > > I wasn't a real Linux professional just because I don't use vi when I can > > in > > any way avoid it. > > > > > Ian's and Anselm's suggestions are a fair compromise, this will at > least > > > help beginneres to survive, even though I do not see a reason to reduce > > the > > > weight. Nevertheless, an important point is to keep the reputation of > the > > > certificates at it's high standard, removing content from > certifications > > > for professionals just because it is too complicated for beginners is > not > > > an option from my point of view. > > > > I don't think vi is ?too complicated?. People can learn it if they have > to. > > The point is that today they no longer have to, and their available time > is > > more profitably spent learning other, more important things. > > > > For example, right now the LPI-101 exam contains 3 questions on vi and a > >
The main problem with Vi/VIM is that some distros, include by default, the "old" vi. Obviously most of people run away of it... but really, most of people that say that use vi really use VIM... There are at least 10 things that VIM can do, than other text editors hardly can: - (Almost) Distraction-Free interface - SpellCheck - Work with cleverly with text blocks - Move through undo tree in amazing ways (eg: earlier command) - Automatize operations - Open more than one file in different windows - Edit downloaded files on the fiy - Edit files through ssh - Browse files - Complete text easily I've wrote a post (in spanish) that I hope help to some people to know better VIM and why is still widely valid. You can red at http://www.sergiobelkin.com/2016/04/10/vim/ Greetings -- -- Sergio Belkin LPIC-2 Certified - http://www.lpi.org
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