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On 27/01/00 at 4:30 Jonathan Marsden wrote:
>On 27 Jan 2000, Les Bell writes:
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>Having said that, I concur with some other comments about whether now
>is really the right time for this level of detail to be discussed...
>a more general clear definition of how to determine what is L2 and
>what is L3 material seems called for first.
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>Jonathan
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maybe a test of ones ability to use available resources would be more
appropriate.......
i.e , I know a nice fellow, I would call him very studious, I know
various OS's because of using them, he knew nothing of IT nor computers
apart from occasional pine use on a shell acc at UNI some time back. With
all of the MCSE hype he decided IT was popular. I helped him setup NT, he
got the study books, went to a 3 day exam cram, and passed the test(s).
A week later, me having no formal certificate for anything decided I better
see what the test was like. I did no course and bought no books, I
previously had a general NT book which is 4inch thick, I have never read
any book cover to cover and rarely find much info from any books (that I
can use anyways). With the new test procedure I was out pretty quick, the
questions were not what I would call easy, I would not have passed if it
had not been for my hands on experience in NT & surprisingly, Novell.
My friend still asked me every question about the use of NT from very small
issues, to constant BSOD, everything I could fix for him, rarely do I think
a day would go by where he did not call or pick my brain. He slowly got
better.
I still had and have problems getting jobs because have pretty much always
run my own businesses, my friend has been accepted into 2, yes 2 roles as
IT administrator since his course, he left the first because the second was
offering more money. Now when there was a serious problem, I helped him
out........like I remember the whole offive (40-50 users) could not recieve
or send email for days because exchange went down, I had to come in on the
weekend to bail him out. He still gets more offers because he did the
courses and is going for more certificates, why ? because he has a good
memory, what you tell him don't have to mean shit to him, but he will be
able to recite and answer things with some logic.
Which brings me to my point
At the end of the day, whether its Linux, Novell, MS, Lotus etc , the
certificate just says a person has something. More than likely the employer
or HR person will be clueless as to the differences. I can hear the screams
now....but the we (meaning list members, general long term *nix community
people) may think too technical here, dont forget a person may or probably
will still have a trial period to go through before being employed. A
person may be of excellent Administration level, able to recite all current
how-to's etc , but if they are a cleptomaniac will that help the
employer?... is that not what this is for ?
Not everything has to be covered, nor in great detail.
Level 1 is entry
Level 2 is probably a year passed entry
Level 3 is 3+years in UNIX/Linux
Then there is probably a GOD level, where freaks of nature, some of which
may be in attendance on this list slot in here, time and space have no real
effect, they can just get it all done.... :-)))) there needs to be a
specialty level, or exams.
PS, I came to the discussions late, so forgive me if similar has been
posted.
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