Hi Felipe, Felipe Salum said the following on 13.06.2006 19:19: > Hello Dimitrios. > > First, thanks for changing the subject. Yes, I'm talking about hands on > exams. > > Well, let me try to explain what I think about hands on exams. > > 1. L3 is to be the senior certification for LPI, so I think that to it > get more credibility, a hands on exam is perfect. (I'm not saying that > L1 and L2 has no credibility, or any other paper based exam).
I've heard that before. Why is hands on giving more credibility in your opinion? > > 2. We all know about braindumps, testkings, boson, etc, where some > people just memorize the answers. Don't forget that hands on exams handle with a very limited number of different. If you know that you will be asked to complete one of, lets say, 10 scenarios on a running machine then it becomes rather easier... > > 3. Just for example, I was taking a look at Sans GSE certification, > which they did too much difficult to have just a little people > certified. I don't want that for LPIC3, but looking at GSE, you see > that people have to demonstrate really that they own what they are > being tested. It is what I see in a hands on exam. Just memorizing the > solution is not sufficient to put your hands there and make it > working. I do not know that certification so I can't answer here... > > 4. RHCE, CCIE and others are successfull examples of hands on exams. > You see many people with CCNA (paper based with some hands on > simulator) and just a few with CCIE. Don't forget that both are based on a very specific environment. RH tests only RH and CISCO even uses its own hardware. Try to do that on different hardware and with different distributions and a possible solution becomes very sophisticated. BTW: I've added some notes at the end of https://group.lpi.org/cgi-bin/publicwiki/view/Examdev/LPIC-3Samba before we started this discussion. [...] > Thinking more there are many others arguments for using hands on exam, > but first we need to know if LPI has interest in this type of exam. I > have seen this same thread in lpi-discuss mailing list before and LPI > always say, the price to make a infrastructure for hands on exam will > increase the exam price, there is no infra, etc. The discussion before was not about Level 3 but Level 1 and 2 and for that we have very good reasons not to make them hands on. The final proof that results of hands on exams are providing more information that a candidate deserves a certificate than "normal" forms is still missing. As for Level 3 we do start with the same expectation but while development we may face a situation where "normal" exams wouldn't provide us the information we need. The only reason IMHO why LPI should/could deploy a hands on exam is if candidates knowledge couldn't get certified else. > > Sorry for the long email and my english mistakes. [...] As an native German speaker I'm sure mine isn't much better, so no excuses needed ;-) Best regards, Taki -- Dimitrios Bogiatzoules Product Developer LPIC-2 Linux Professional Institute GnuPG Key ID A7E4D183 http://www.lpi.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lpi-german.de
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