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On 6/13/06, Dimitrios Bogiatzoules, Product Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Felipe, Felipe Salum said the following on 13.06.2006 19:19: > Hello Dimitrios. > > First, thanks for changing the subject. Yes, I'm talking about hands on > exams. > > Well, let me try to explain what I think about hands on exams. > > 1. L3 is to be the senior certification for LPI, so I think that to it > get more credibility, a hands on exam is perfect. (I'm not saying that > L1 and L2 has no credibility, or any other paper based exam). I've heard that before. Why is hands on giving more credibility in your opinion?
In hands on if you dont know how to do a task you can't close your eyes and choose one option to mark, many times you'll see things that only who is in linux administration all time knows how to finish it. I hope that LPIC-3 is for experienced administrators, not those who just have read some linux book, bought the last testking and get certified.
> > 2. We all know about braindumps, testkings, boson, etc, where some > people just memorize the answers. Don't forget that hands on exams handle with a very limited number of different. If you know that you will be asked to complete one of, lets say, 10 scenarios on a running machine then it becomes rather easier...
Yes, I know. In hands on exams you have limited time too, so who just knows what will be asked and tested at home, if anything is different in the exam will fail, different from the experts one.
> > 3. Just for example, I was taking a look at Sans GSE certification, > which they did too much difficult to have just a little people > certified. I don't want that for LPIC3, but looking at GSE, you see > that people have to demonstrate really that they own what they are > being tested. It is what I see in a hands on exam. Just memorizing the > solution is not sufficient to put your hands there and make it > working. I do not know that certification so I can't answer here...
It is GIAC Security Expert certification, nice requisites to take it. Take a look at http://www.giac.org
> > 4. RHCE, CCIE and others are successfull examples of hands on exams. > You see many people with CCNA (paper based with some hands on > simulator) and just a few with CCIE. Don't forget that both are based on a very specific environment. RH tests only RH and CISCO even uses its own hardware. Try to do that on different hardware and with different distributions and a possible solution becomes very sophisticated. BTW: I've added some notes at the end of https://group.lpi.org/cgi-bin/publicwiki/view/Examdev/LPIC-3Samba before we started this discussion.
I saw the notes. I agree the solution becomes very sophisticated.
[...] > Thinking more there are many others arguments for using hands on exam, > but first we need to know if LPI has interest in this type of exam. I > have seen this same thread in lpi-discuss mailing list before and LPI > always say, the price to make a infrastructure for hands on exam will > increase the exam price, there is no infra, etc. The discussion before was not about Level 3 but Level 1 and 2 and for that we have very good reasons not to make them hands on.
Yes L1 and L2, that because I have not joined in the thread. I think that in the case just the senior cert could be hands on.
The final proof that results of hands on exams are providing more information that a candidate deserves a certificate than "normal" forms is still missing. As for Level 3 we do start with the same expectation but while development we may face a situation where "normal" exams wouldn't provide us the information we need. The only reason IMHO why LPI should/could deploy a hands on exam is if candidates knowledge couldn't get certified else.
I understand your opinion too. This is a interesting thread. How can we convince LPI ? hehehe
> > Sorry for the long email and my english mistakes. [...] As an native German speaker I'm sure mine isn't much better, so no excuses needed ;-)
I see you in the World Cup final game :)
Best regards, Taki -- Dimitrios Bogiatzoules Product Developer LPIC-2 Linux Professional Institute GnuPG Key ID A7E4D183 http://www.lpi.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lpi-german.de _______________________________________________ lpi-examdev mailing list [email protected] http://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev
-- Felipe Salum SCSA, SCNA, LPIC-2, Security+ _______________________________________________ lpi-examdev mailing list [email protected] http://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev
