....and, probably, this draft won't stay a draft long enough for the problem
to have any sort of materialisation.

s.

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018, 10:03 PM Tony Li <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I don’t see the big deal in having the WG name in the draft title, even
> for category 1 documents.
>
> It’s only the name of the draft and the fact that it is protocol specific
> doesn’t really need to be called out at that level.  People who read the
> document will certainly figure it out.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 12:39 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Well...this raises a topic on which I would like to have feedback from
>> the WG.
>>
>> Combining IS-IS/OSPF into one working group is fine - no argument there.
>> But, we now may be producing two classes of documents:
>>
>> 1)Documents which are specific to a protocol (IS-IS or OSPFv2 or OSPFv3)
>>
>> 2)Documents which cover 2 or more protocols
>>
>> draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt is Category #1 - and there is NO
>> CHANCE this document will EVER cover OSPF - since OSPF already has RFC 7471
>> and this bis document is a correction to the IS-IS specific RFC7810.
>> Calling it "-lsr-" to me is simply confusing as it in no way indicates that
>> it is IS-IS specific.
>> I suggest that any document which falls into Category 1 should continue
>> to follow the traditional protocol specific naming.
>> If this somehow violates some IETF rule then I suppose we could use
>> "-lsr-isis-". (somewhat verbose)
>>
>> For Category 2 documents "-lsr-" certainly makes sense.
>>
>> Comments??
>>
>>    Les
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Acee Lindem (acee)
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 7:45 AM
>> > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]>; [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-
>> > rfc7810bis-00.txt
>> >
>> > Hi Les,
>> >
>> > Can you resubmit as draft-ginsberg-lsr-rfc7810bis-00.txt? Also, please
>> add a
>> > "Changes from RFC 7810" section to the "Introduction". I see you have
>> added
>> > RFC8174 to the "Requirements Language" section already.
>> >
>> > I think we should accept this as an LSR Working Group document - does
>> > anyone disagree?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Acee
>> >
>> > On 3/30/18, 6:39 PM, "Lsr on behalf of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <lsr-
>> > [email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Folks -
>> >
>> >     A bis version of RFC 7810 has been submitted to address the issue
>> reported
>> > in Errata ID: 5293
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=7810
>> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search..php?rfc=7810>
>> >
>> >     Given that there exist implementations which have interpreted the
>> > ambiguous encoding of some sub-TLVs in different/non-interoperable ways
>> > it was felt that a bis version of the RFC was justified.
>> >     Please see the Appendix of the draft for a discussion of the
>> changes from
>> > RFC 7810 and the reasons why.
>> >
>> >        Les
>> >
>> >
>> >     -----Original Message-----
>> >     From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>> >     Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:33 PM
>> >     To: Qin Wu <[email protected]>; David Ward (wardd)
>> > <[email protected]>; Spencer Giacolone <[email protected]
>> <[email protected]>>;
>> > Spencer Giacalone <[email protected]>; John Drake
>> > <[email protected]>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]>;
>> David
>> > Ward (wardd) <[email protected]>; Stefano Previdi <[email protected]>
>> >     Subject: New Version Notification for
>> draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt
>> >
>> >
>> >     A new version of I-D, draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt
>> >     has been successfully submitted by Les Ginsberg and posted to the
>> IETF
>> > repository.
>> >
>> >     Name:             draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis
>> >     Revision: 00
>> >     Title:            IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions
>> >     Document date:    2018-03-30
>> >     Group:            Individual Submission
>> >     Pages:            19
>> >     URL:
>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ginsberg-isis-
>> > rfc7810bis-00.txt
>> >     Status:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis/
>> >     Htmlized:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00
>> >     Htmlized:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ginsberg-isis-
>> > rfc7810bis
>> >
>> >
>> >     Abstract:
>> >        In certain networks, such as, but not limited to, financial
>> >        information networks (e.g., stock market data providers),
>> network-
>> >        performance criteria (e.g., latency) are becoming as critical to
>> >        data-path selection as other metrics.
>> >
>> >        This document describes extensions to IS-IS Traffic Engineering
>> >        Extensions (RFC 5305) such that network-performance information
>> can
>> >        be distributed and collected in a scalable fashion.  The
>> information
>> >        distributed using IS-IS TE Metric Extensions can then be used to
>> make
>> >        path-selection decisions based on network performance.
>> >
>> >        Note that this document only covers the mechanisms with which
>> >        network-performance information is distributed.  The mechanisms
>> for
>> >        measuring network performance or acting on that information, once
>> >        distributed, are outside the scope of this document.
>> >
>> >        This document obsoletes RFC 7810.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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