Hi everybody, I agree with Iberê: "The good thing of this thread is that people are communicating". I think his questions and comments are necessary, even if some persons are offended.
Please everybody: 1. State your opinion about the current situation of Lubuntu! 2. Should we make this discussion wider (to include more people)? . advantages . disadvantages 3. What are *you* willing and able to do? Lubuntu will die without volunteers. Have a nice week-end and best regards Nio On 2013-11-14 16:47, Iberê Fernandes wrote: > answers in line > > 2013/11/14 Jörn Schönyan <[email protected]>: >> Hello all, see replies inline :-) >> >> Am 14.11.2013 13:57, schrieb Iberê Fernandes: >> >> answers in line: >> >> >> RonnieW (lxle) >> Mélodie (bento) >> Lance (Precise Gnome Classic Tweak) >> Leszek (zRAM and a distro I forgot right now) >> Jörn (kernels) >> >> I am sorry, I don't know much 'bout kernels - I can configure or compile >> them, but I can't fix bugs or something. To be honest, I'm not even able to >> package them for Launchpad. Very sad, because I would like to package a >> custom kernel :-/ but there is a large lack of documentation. > > The good thing of this thread is that people are communicating. > > Before being a volunteer, I followed a lot discussions at Ubuntu > Forums and Ubuntu lists such as lubuntu-users, xubuntu-devel and also > their IRC meeting logs and xubuntu-users and Lubuntu social media > channels. > > For some odd reason, Lubuntu is a community were lots of people seem > to like the flavor, but only a few really contribute. > > >> >> ... /and I'm sure there are several other persons who are qualified/ >> >> But are you/they prepared to spend the time necessary? >> >> I'm not sure if I'm saying +1 or it's just another doubt or suggestion. >> >> Is Lubuntu development stalled? >> >> Let's see the facts, only what I know from the empirical observation: >> 1) there's a security high priority bug assigned to Julien and nothing >> has been done since Julien acknowledged the bug exists and should be >> patched, however nobody (no devs) have time: >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1205384/comments/29 >> >> We could talk to the Xubuntu people, their solution could be just fine for >> Lubuntu. Look at >> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/07/light-locker-new-session-locker-for.html > > Julien has replied to the bug a few minutes ago. When I'm at home, > I'll test the patch. > > I invite everyone to test it too. > >> >> >> 2) Lubuntu has some minor nasty bugs such as ghost icons on PCManFM, >> drag and drop problems on PCManFM too, and some other minor stuff all >> around. >> >> Has someone links to according bug reports? Is it Lubuntu's "fault" are the >> bugs from upstream? > > IMHO, if it's upstream or not... I keep saying TLs must be responsible. > > Things should be clear. When there's no communications, how can we > know what's happening? > >> >> >> Sometimes I feel like Lubuntu should redefine the sentence "a >> lighweight OS that works out of the box". >> >> Btw, the keyboard key to print screen does not work at Lubuntu 13.10 either. >> >> Besides bug list, there's thread at UF on workarounds for 13.10 cycle, >> including Lubuntu: >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2182038 >> >> This bug should be pretty easy to fix. Is it still there in Trusty? I could >> take a look into this next week. Leads to another question: is scrot good >> enough? Do we need an alternative? > > Scrot works fine. It's just a silly error at .lubuntu-rc.xml if you > check the workaround at ubuntuforums. > > But as I said before: Lubuntu should redefine what's "works out of the box". > > We could also redefine: Linux for human beings. > > Or if we take Lubuntu motto: lightweight, fast, easier > > Easier? How do we expect to attract newcomers if 13.10 cycle was kind > of a mess and the 13.10 product is kind of a mess? > > Is that easier for newcomers? IMHO, I do not think so. > > If Lubuntu is planning to be a flavor for developers and their > contributors/members, ok, I can live with the current bugs. > > However, if I was reference for anything, the world would be a > pain.... For instance, I'm brazilian, the country of soccer, samba > (carnival)... For me, those things are useless. But that's only me. > > Back to Lubuntu cause: if Lubuntu devs do not communicate here because > there're too many emails, why don't they create a list like > lubuntu-devel, only for development issues? I'm not sure if that's the > issue though. > > I'm not pessimistic nor optimistic. I'm saying what I see at the > Lubuntu empirical world. > > No offense to anybody. Again, sorry if anybody feels offended. > > I just invite you to read the archives and meeting logs of other > teams... while people communicate in other communities, communication > is not the best in our Lubuntu community. > > I wish you all a nice weekend too! > >> >> >> Said in another way, I think Lubuntu needs new or more developers. >> Maybe we need also a new Developer Team Leader. >> >> I'm not asking for Julien to leave. Everyone is responsible and should >> be responsible when accepting a job, as a volunteer, or a paid job. >> >> We haven't heard of Julien a long time, have we? Well, I hope he is fine. We >> should care about him and try to help him doing his work. > > I hope he's fine too. I wish the best for everybody. > > I care a lot about him and lots people and causes... and that's why I > emphasize that people should be humble to stop and think if they're > leading as they should... If they don't have time, then they should > stop leading and pass the Leader hat to an appropriate Leader. > > But that seems hard even with Lubuntu: > > 1) phillw has left. His TL role is empty and nobody wants to join. > > 2) comms TL has resigned and nobody wants to join either. > > 3) QA TL: same... > > Some would say: yes, it's easy to talk.. yes, it is. > > IMHO, I hope only the best for all of us and Lubuntu. I'll keep > supporting on QA, testing and social media as much as I am able to. > > I also hope that we'll see some movement after vUDS next week. > >> >> >> If Julien is ok, he would be a great developer supporting Lubuntu. >> Again, I'm not asking for his "head". People should be responsible! >> Maybe even Ali and Phillw (phillw has already left theh TL building) >> should leave. >> >> IMHO, leaders are leading the project to its objectives: failure or >> success. It's all a matter of responsability. >> >> Btw, that's why I call myself a social media admin and QA/Tester of >> Lubuntu. I'm not a Comms TL: I can't have that responsability. >> >> But that's just my opinion. >> >> I'm realllly sorry if I'm offending someone. I do not mean to offend. >> >> I wish you all a nice weekend! >> >> >> Best regards >> Nio >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
