yes they do. they do not have to be abused for that, like the US record industry is trying to do. (and the patent troll companies)
-- rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 758 801 749 www.mountbatten.net On Monday 09 August 2010 20:09:21 Tim Schofield wrote: > But its also protecting me as an open source developer isnt it? > > On 09/08/2010, Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Actually it took until after the patent on the steam-engine expired that > > the research into petrol engines went into full gear and that engine > > was finally invented. So, Kyle, you are not far off. > > > > And Kyle did not say the US invented it, just that they are abusing it. > > For example by extending the duration. Like, Walt Disney is dead & > > buried for years now, but someone still owns his copyright. > > > > That is besides the point. Its not protecting Walt and his great effort > > anymore, its just generating cash for shareholders somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > rgds, > > > > Reinier Battenberg > > Director > > Mountbatten Ltd. > > +256 758 801 749 > > www.mountbatten.net > > > > On Monday 09 August 2010 15:00:06 Kyle Spencer wrote: > > > Tim, > > > > > > > As I have said before, theft is the taking of someone elses property > > > > without their permission, and you are not denying this is what you > > > > do. > > > > > > I repeat: > > > > > > An act of "theft" requires that someone be denied ownership, > > > possession, use, or access to something as a result of the taking. > > > > > > Clearly the above has not happened, and therefore nobody is "stealing" > > > anything even by American legal standards (the home of bad IP law). > > > > > > Making a copy of something != theft -- even in the US. > > > > > > FYI: Global IP laws, as they relate to this discussion, are generally > > > the result of intense lobbying/corruption of the US legal system by > > > large media distribution companies (RIAA/MPAA) who's businesses > > > became irrelevant as a result of the Internet. > > > > > > These companies do not represent the artists, they represent > > > factories, retail business relationships, and license fees which do > > > not get passed on to the creative talent behind the works which they > > > distribute. > > > > > > Essentially, these companies had so much money and clout that they > > > were able to alter the US and, to some extent, global legal system in > > > order to make their businesses artificially relevant. > > > > > > On a side note, I wonder what state the world would be in today if > > > horse-drawn carriage manufacturers had pulled off the same stunt in > > > order to make automobiles illegal. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Kyle Spencer > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > > > > As I have said before, theft is the taking of someone elses property > > > > without their permission, and you are not denying this is what you > > > > do. > > > > > > > > You say, and I believe you that this theft is legal in this country > > > > and that only in nice fluffy societies (in other words most of the > > > > rest of the world) is this type of theft illegal. Surely then we > > > > should be trying to make this country conform to the rest of the > > > > world (BTW Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda are all signatories to the Berne > > > > convention so this is most definitely illegal in those countries). > > > > > > > > On 9 August 2010 13:03, Badru Ntege (MPP) > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Well I repeat, let us see the evidence that the radio stations > > > > > > are stealing, but again if they are it doesn't justify others > > > > > > in doing it. Many people steal cars, so does that justify me > > > > > > taking yours? > > > > > > > > > > Show me a local artist with payment from any FM station for > > > > > playing their music. I think evidence for payment will be > > > > > better. Luck of that evidence will be affirmation of my > > > > > statement. > > > > > > > > > > > The right point is for people to respect other peoples property, > > > > > > but maybe I am wrong :-) > > > > > > > > > > You are not wrong but if only life was that simple, we would have > > > > > this nice fluffy society where everyone loves everyone and they > > > > > are no bad people at all .......etc. Ooops wakey wakey it is > > > > > not that simple and that is why we have laws that are designed to > > > > > protect us against each other. And in this respect the laws of > > > > > the land are not sufficient which is why we need to have them > > > > > modified and updated to enable us to co-exist and not stifle > > > > > growth and development because some archaic law still exists and > > > > > does not fit well in the changed world that we live in today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So today the musicians might not be able to get payments from the > > > > > stations for their works however it promotes their work and means > > > > > that they get invited to private performances that give them a > > > > > good earning. Somewhere down the line the two parties have > > > > > reached a compromise that works. However no express permission > > > > > is given to the stations night clubs etc to play the music. Is > > > > > this enough ??? No As we work towards a ugandan copyright and IPR > > > > > position we need to capture some of this and draft a current law > > > > > that works with the changed times. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > LUG mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > > > > > > > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > > > > > > > All Archives can be found at > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > > > > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > > > > > (including attachments if any). 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