please tell that to the software patent lobby. (i didnt refer to the badru case in my response at all.)
-- rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 758 801 749 www.mountbatten.net On Monday 09 August 2010 20:28:14 Tim Schofield wrote: > But if we allow them to be abused for some things then they wont offer > protection to anyone will they? > > On 09/08/2010, Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > yes they do. they do not have to be abused for that, like the US record > > industry is trying to do. (and the patent troll companies) > > > > > > -- > > > > rgds, > > > > Reinier Battenberg > > Director > > Mountbatten Ltd. > > +256 758 801 749 > > www.mountbatten.net > > > > On Monday 09 August 2010 20:09:21 Tim Schofield wrote: > > > But its also protecting me as an open source developer isnt it? > > > > > > On 09/08/2010, Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > Actually it took until after the patent on the steam-engine expired > > > > that the research into petrol engines went into full gear and that > > > > engine was finally invented. So, Kyle, you are not far off. > > > > > > > > And Kyle did not say the US invented it, just that they are abusing > > > > it. For example by extending the duration. Like, Walt Disney is > > > > dead & buried for years now, but someone still owns his copyright. > > > > > > > > That is besides the point. Its not protecting Walt and his great > > > > effort anymore, its just generating cash for shareholders > > > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > rgds, > > > > > > > > Reinier Battenberg > > > > Director > > > > Mountbatten Ltd. > > > > +256 758 801 749 > > > > www.mountbatten.net > > > > > > > > On Monday 09 August 2010 15:00:06 Kyle Spencer wrote: > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > > > > As I have said before, theft is the taking of someone elses > > > > > > property without their permission, and you are not denying > > > > > > this is what you do. > > > > > > > > > > I repeat: > > > > > > > > > > An act of "theft" requires that someone be denied ownership, > > > > > possession, use, or access to something as a result of the > > > > > taking. > > > > > > > > > > Clearly the above has not happened, and therefore nobody is > > > > > "stealing" anything even by American legal standards (the home > > > > > of bad IP law). > > > > > > > > > > Making a copy of something != theft -- even in the US. > > > > > > > > > > FYI: Global IP laws, as they relate to this discussion, are > > > > > generally the result of intense lobbying/corruption of the US > > > > > legal system by large media distribution companies (RIAA/MPAA) > > > > > who's businesses became irrelevant as a result of the Internet. > > > > > > > > > > These companies do not represent the artists, they represent > > > > > factories, retail business relationships, and license fees which > > > > > do not get passed on to the creative talent behind the works > > > > > which they distribute. > > > > > > > > > > Essentially, these companies had so much money and clout that > > > > > they were able to alter the US and, to some extent, global legal > > > > > system in order to make their businesses artificially relevant. > > > > > > > > > > On a side note, I wonder what state the world would be in today > > > > > if horse-drawn carriage manufacturers had pulled off the same > > > > > stunt in order to make automobiles illegal. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Kyle Spencer > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > As I have said before, theft is the taking of someone elses > > > > > > property without their permission, and you are not denying > > > > > > this is what you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > You say, and I believe you that this theft is legal in this > > > > > > country and that only in nice fluffy societies (in other words > > > > > > most of the rest of the world) is this type of theft illegal. > > > > > > Surely then we should be trying to make this country conform > > > > > > to the rest of the world (BTW Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda are all > > > > > > signatories to the Berne convention so this is most definitely > > > > > > illegal in those countries). > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9 August 2010 13:03, Badru Ntege (MPP) > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Well I repeat, let us see the evidence that the radio > > > > > > > > stations are stealing, but again if they are it doesn't > > > > > > > > justify others in doing it. Many people steal cars, so > > > > > > > > does that justify me taking yours? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me a local artist with payment from any FM station for > > > > > > > playing their music. I think evidence for payment will be > > > > > > > better. Luck of that evidence will be affirmation of my > > > > > > > statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The right point is for people to respect other peoples > > > > > > > > property, but maybe I am wrong :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not wrong but if only life was that simple, we would > > > > > > > have this nice fluffy society where everyone loves everyone > > > > > > > and they are no bad people at all .......etc. Ooops wakey > > > > > > > wakey it is not that simple and that is why we have laws > > > > > > > that are designed to protect us against each other. And in > > > > > > > this respect the laws of the land are not sufficient which > > > > > > > is why we need to have them modified and updated to enable > > > > > > > us to co-exist and not stifle growth and development because > > > > > > > some archaic law still exists and does not fit well in the > > > > > > > changed world that we live in today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So today the musicians might not be able to get payments from > > > > > > > the stations for their works however it promotes their work > > > > > > > and means that they get invited to private performances that > > > > > > > give them a good earning. Somewhere down the line the two > > > > > > > parties have reached a compromise that works. However no > > > > > > > express permission is given to the stations night clubs etc > > > > > > > to play the music. Is this enough ??? 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