Hi Paul, you are obviously free to worship whatever god you please, that is one of your basic freedoms. Myself I don't worship any god. What I don't understand is why people who are so anti the principles of software freedom are on a Linux user group mailing list.
I subscribe to many LUG lists around the world, but this is the only one where so few people are actually in favour of software freedom. Thanks Tim On 1 August 2011 09:37, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote: > I think you are the one who doesn't get it. We are saying simply: Your god is > not our god, and need not be. Khalas. > On Aug 01, 2011, at 10:40, Tim Schofield wrote: > >> Whoever wrote that comment clearly hadn't bothered to understand any >> of the concepts involved in what they were talking about. One thing >> the FSF definitely don't worship is Open Source. >> >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html >> >> I got no further on the quote because anything else this person says >> is not worth reading. >> >> On 1 August 2011 06:32, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote: >>> And I remembered a comment I read here: >>> http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/04/29/jobs_on_flash/#c_752789 >>> >>> --- >>> For most of the IT industry's relatively short life, programmers and nerds >>> have been its High Priests, acting as gatekeepers and controlling every >>> aspect of your access to their religion. >>> The most blatant exponent of this religion is the Free Software Foundation, >>> which was founded towards the end of the earliest phase of personal >>> computing. This foundation worships the god known as "Open Source"—a god >>> they didn't even invent. >>> "Open Source" is a programmer-centric concept which is only of direct >>> relevance to other programmers. In the early '80s, when the FSF began, most >>> computer users could be assumed to be either programmers, or at least >>> IT-literate. >>> Today, 99% of computer users today *don't* know how to program, and a >>> substantial majority would have trouble recognising the power switch, so a >>> programmer-centric approach to IT is a lot less useful. The FSF has become >>> the closest thing the programming community has to a union, including a >>> strong protectionist stance against anything they see as a threat to the >>> status of programmers within the IT industry. >>> The FSF cannot survive in the world as seen by Apple. Apple's corporate >>> philosophy doesn't see computers as a god-like gift to humanity which must >>> be protected from the unclean masses. Instead, the *user* is placed on the >>> pedestal. His needs *always* come first—even if it means writing >>> applications for Apple's computers is made harder as a result. (For >>> example, it's not uncommon for a major OS X release to break some old APIs >>> to encourage the use of newer, more powerful APIs which offer a richer user >>> experience. Microsoft would be lynched if they tried that.) ... >>> --- >>> >>> >>> On Aug 01, 2011, at 08:07, Victor van Reijswoud wrote: >>> >>>> Amen >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> <sigh> >>>>> http://www.fsf.org/working-together/ >>>>> </sigh> >>>>> >>>>> On 31 July 2011 10:48, sanga collins <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> What freedom exactly are you missing from apples interpretation of the >>>>>> BSD >>>>>> code. I see alot of folks yelling for 'freedom' but with the few areas >>>>>> where >>>>>> the freedom is granted they are not doing anything useful at all >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well there is a major difference between the way Apple uses the BSD >>>>>>> licensed code and the way Google does. Apple have taken BSD licensed >>>>>>> code, made changes and then released it as proprietary code, whereas >>>>>>> Google has taken it, made changes and then released it as BSD licensed >>>>>>> code. Apple have taken away our freedom while Google retains it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having said this I am not a fan of permissive licensing. I would never >>>>>>> contribute any code to a project that had such a license. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 31 July 2011 07:33, joachim Gwoke <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Schofield does mention use of BSD code and license on android. Now from >>>>>>>> what we see apple has always taken this route and made a lot of money >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> it. Can the droid people do the same? Seems to me that extremely >>>>>>>> permissive >>>>>>>> licensing like that of the bsd people keeps them in the shadows. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> Joachim >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>>>>>>> attachments if any). 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