Let me try to explain again in simple terms, and please listen.
1. The Stallman piece you just sent goes on an on (as expected) about the
difference between freedom and open source. That piece presumably reflects your
own thinking on the matter. Stallman explains that one is an ethical issue,
which he distinguishes from the open source latter as a practical
implementation of a subset of it (my words to be sure) that (in part) makes it
more acceptable to business. ("Open source is a development methodology; free
software is a social movement.") Linux is open source, primarily, which means
that we don't need to believe in Stallman-esque social movements to want to
promote it and discuss it here.
2. To the above I say: Great! Except that save for the early days of his
movement, when the likes of gcc were produced, we might ask Stallman "What have
you done for me lately?" That is my point, and the point of the comment I
posted, which I think you dismissed without reading because it didn't conform
to the teachings of the Church of Stallman. And Stallman is a great guy. But if
we'd only stuck to this "social movement" business you'd now be using an
OpenMoko* device, instead of an Android/iOS one. You would be using Gnu Hurd**
instead of Ubuntu. Would the computing world be a better place?
P.
* Yes, before Android there was OpenMoko. Google it.
** It's not even ready, after all these years.
On Aug 01, 2011, at 11:45, Tim Schofield wrote:
> Hi Paul, you are obviously free to worship whatever god you please,
> that is one of your basic freedoms. Myself I don't worship any god.
> What I don't understand is why people who are so anti the principles
> of software freedom are on a Linux user group mailing list.
>
> I subscribe to many LUG lists around the world, but this is the only
> one where so few people are actually in favour of software freedom.
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
> On 1 August 2011 09:37, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I think you are the one who doesn't get it. We are saying simply: Your god
>> is not our god, and need not be. Khalas.
>> On Aug 01, 2011, at 10:40, Tim Schofield wrote:
>>
>>> Whoever wrote that comment clearly hadn't bothered to understand any
>>> of the concepts involved in what they were talking about. One thing
>>> the FSF definitely don't worship is Open Source.
>>>
>>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
>>>
>>> I got no further on the quote because anything else this person says
>>> is not worth reading.
>>>
>>> On 1 August 2011 06:32, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> And I remembered a comment I read here:
>>>> http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/04/29/jobs_on_flash/#c_752789
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> For most of the IT industry's relatively short life, programmers and nerds
>>>> have been its High Priests, acting as gatekeepers and controlling every
>>>> aspect of your access to their religion.
>>>> The most blatant exponent of this religion is the Free Software
>>>> Foundation, which was founded towards the end of the earliest phase of
>>>> personal computing. This foundation worships the god known as "Open
>>>> Source"—a god they didn't even invent.
>>>> "Open Source" is a programmer-centric concept which is only of direct
>>>> relevance to other programmers. In the early '80s, when the FSF began,
>>>> most computer users could be assumed to be either programmers, or at least
>>>> IT-literate.
>>>> Today, 99% of computer users today *don't* know how to program, and a
>>>> substantial majority would have trouble recognising the power switch, so a
>>>> programmer-centric approach to IT is a lot less useful. The FSF has become
>>>> the closest thing the programming community has to a union, including a
>>>> strong protectionist stance against anything they see as a threat to the
>>>> status of programmers within the IT industry.
>>>> The FSF cannot survive in the world as seen by Apple. Apple's corporate
>>>> philosophy doesn't see computers as a god-like gift to humanity which must
>>>> be protected from the unclean masses. Instead, the *user* is placed on the
>>>> pedestal. His needs *always* come first—even if it means writing
>>>> applications for Apple's computers is made harder as a result. (For
>>>> example, it's not uncommon for a major OS X release to break some old APIs
>>>> to encourage the use of newer, more powerful APIs which offer a richer
>>>> user experience. Microsoft would be lynched if they tried that.) ...
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 01, 2011, at 08:07, Victor van Reijswoud wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Amen
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> <sigh>
>>>>>> http://www.fsf.org/working-together/
>>>>>> </sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31 July 2011 10:48, sanga collins <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> What freedom exactly are you missing from apples interpretation of the
>>>>>>> BSD
>>>>>>> code. I see alot of folks yelling for 'freedom' but with the few areas
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> the freedom is granted they are not doing anything useful at all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well there is a major difference between the way Apple uses the BSD
>>>>>>>> licensed code and the way Google does. Apple have taken BSD licensed
>>>>>>>> code, made changes and then released it as proprietary code, whereas
>>>>>>>> Google has taken it, made changes and then released it as BSD licensed
>>>>>>>> code. Apple have taken away our freedom while Google retains it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having said this I am not a fan of permissive licensing. I would never
>>>>>>>> contribute any code to a project that had such a license.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 31 July 2011 07:33, joachim Gwoke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Schofield does mention use of BSD code and license on android. Now
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> what we see apple has always taken this route and made a lot of money
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> it. Can the droid people do the same? Seems to me that extremely
>>>>>>>>> permissive
>>>>>>>>> licensing like that of the bsd people keeps them in the shadows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>> Joachim
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