(Then, again, if I *truly* came across as boastful and arrogant, I am sorry. It was not my intention. My English is also not very good, so I might have used certain words in wrong ways.)
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Benjamin Tayehanpour < [email protected]> wrote: > You are an odd person. Where have I stated that I am some kind of Messiah? > I have even explicitly stated that "it's a free world", thereby marking > that my opinions are not any more worth than anyone else's. You read things > no one has written. > > Also, you were the one telling me to check out the facts. I did, and the > facts agreed with me. Trying to deflect that only shows that you know you > were mistaken but refuse to show it. > > Yes, Uganda is a poor country. I don't see why that is relevant. My point > is: Concerning ICT development, my country has been where your country is > now. Looking back, we did some things right, and some things wrong. Would > it be bad to point out the wrongs to another country so that they don't > make the same mistakes? > > I actually had to look that expression up. Apparently, blowing one's > trumpet means "to promote oneself; to boast or brag; to tout oneself." The > whole idea of a discussion is to promote one's ideas, why else would you > have a discussion? As a matter of fact, I think you're the one blowing your > horn by trying to push me down, constantly saying I'm ignorant, > insignificant, a lone wolf, delusional, and various other things. > > It's interesting that you chose to bring up Bill Gates. > > Anyway, it's bedtime for me now. Tomorrow (well, today since it's past > midnight) is Christmas Eve; in Sweden we don't celebrate Christmas Day, but > Christmas Eve instead. How do you celebrate Christmas in Uganda? > > Good night, and Merry Christmas! > > > On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Mugarura Cavin <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Another useless statement >> >> ______________________________________ >> According to the ITU, by the year 2000 the number of Ugandan Internet >> users were 40000, or barely 0.1% of the population. Compare with 45.5% in >> my country the same year. >> ______________________________________ >> >> what is the point behind this, Uganda is a poor country, no doubt about >> that, but proclaiming to be a messiah is simply gibberish, >> >> You are no messiah, just an ordinary mortal, feel free to share your >> ideas, and they are welcome, but people who have done a lot of good in poor >> countries like Bill Gates, who has achieved so much, dont blow their >> trumpets. (If am to compare him to you, You will achieve in your entire >> lifetime less than 0.000000000003% of what he has done - do you like the >> comparison ? - I guess not - Then enjoy Xmas ) >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Interesting that you simply say "no" without referring to any sources. I >>> have done a quick search on the Internet, and while there isn't much >>> information about Ugandan history of Internet availability, there are some >>> other facts which would support my theory, namely: >>> >>> >>> 1. According to the CIA Fact book, your telephone communications >>> were "seriously inadequate" by *2010*. An absence of wiring suggest >>> no wired Internet access to households. >>> 2. Most sources seem to state that Uganda leapt straight to cell >>> network-based Internet access. This technology wasn't even available >>> until >>> the nineties at the very earliest. >>> 3. According to the ITU, by the year 2000 the number of Ugandan >>> Internet users were 40000, or barely 0.1% of the population. Compare with >>> 45.5% in my country the same year. >>> 4. The Hollerith computer was a punch-card operated computer >>> machine. It was not networked, and definitely had no Internet access. >>> Therefore, your bringing it up is clearly a sign of your ignorance on the >>> subject, since we were discussing computer *networks*. >>> >>> Now, next time, do some research before exposing *your* ignorance in >>> public. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Mugarura Cavin <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The Hollerith Electronic computer was put in production in the 1960s at >>>> the East African Railways >>>> Makerere University also had a similar facility, >>>> >>>> now next time, do some research before exposing your ignorance in public >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I suppose it depends on your definition of the word "ignorance". >>>>> Unfortunately, many people on the Internet use American English despite >>>>> not >>>>> being American, and so I have become used to assuming people use words in >>>>> their American definitions. In the USA, the word "ignorant" is much more >>>>> offensive than in Britain, as it over there also implies that one does not >>>>> want to try to *stop* being ignorant. I do favour British English, so >>>>> my apologies for being jaded. Old habits die hard :) >>>>> >>>>> I was not really referring to any particular country or region. The >>>>> Internet started gaining in size in the eighties and started getting >>>>> popular in the nineties, but before the Internet we had dial-up bulletin >>>>> board systems. They started in the seventies and were quite popular before >>>>> dwindling in the nineties due to Internet gaining in popularity. I >>>>> sometimes miss the simplicity of the BBS era, back when the idea of two >>>>> machines communicating was a new bold idea. I am not suggesting that I am >>>>> familiar with Ugandan ICT history, but I think I am not too far off when I >>>>> posit that you did not have computer networks back in the seventies. Am I >>>>> wrong? >>>>> >>>>> Again, you are assuming things. You are assuming I am on a lone wolf >>>>> mission; a quick search on the Internet will however show you how popular >>>>> ad blocking is. It is not some nutcracker idea I have thrown together over >>>>> a bottle of wine; it is a fairly large movement. >>>>> >>>>> Ads are not used to convey "good messages". For starters, Internet >>>>> advertising is too expensive for that. The only time a sane person would >>>>> choose to advertise on the Internet is when she endeavours to make money >>>>> out of you in some way. If you have a good message, you put it on a web >>>>> page all by itself; you don't litter others' pages with it in small little >>>>> boxes. I can assure you, you will not miss anything by blocking ads with a >>>>> sensible ad blocker configured the right way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Mugarura Cavin >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Am simply stating facts, and there is nothing wrong with being >>>>>> ignorant, for example am ignorant about fish, and am happy to remain >>>>>> ignorant in that respect >>>>>> >>>>>> __________________________________________ >>>>>> Internet is relatively new in some parts of the world. ( Are you >>>>>> referring to DR Congo ?) >>>>>> __________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> These parts have yet to experience the full benefit Internet could >>>>>> bring, and also some of the pitfalls. - So Ad blocking is the silver >>>>>> bullet, thats simply a fiction of your imagination >>>>>> >>>>>> __________________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> I would like to help people evade these pitfalls). - Good luck >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ad blocking can be effective if its a mass movement like "occupy", >>>>>> however the lone wolf efforts by a one Benjamin are simply a drop in the >>>>>> .... >>>>>> >>>>>> Assuming you have a good message and you broadcast it through an >>>>>> Internet Advertisement, should this be blocked too, >>>>>> I hate ads, but i will not throw the baby out with the bath water >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I simply listed the common benefits of using an ad blocker; I never >>>>>>> said that any of them would necessarily apply to you. You made that >>>>>>> assumption. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Internet neutrality argument is valid for everyone. Apparently, >>>>>>> you cannot find any valid counterargument to this, so you resort to >>>>>>> patronising insults. Your response is based on arrogance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, it's a free world. Use one or don't use one. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Mugarura Cavin < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You wrongly assume that all users have the same needs/constraints >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some of the advantages you highlight like battery life, are quite >>>>>>>> useless to me, >>>>>>>> I wont point out any other items, Ad blocking is good but useless >>>>>>>> for me, for reasons, you might not understand, so I will spare you the >>>>>>>> details >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The statement below is based on ignorance >>>>>>>> ___________________________________ >>>>>>>> (Internet is relatively new in some parts of the world. These parts >>>>>>>> have yet to experience the full benefit Internet could bring, and also >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> of the pitfalls. I would like to help people evade these pitfalls). >>>>>>>> ___________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the very same article, it says that you can disable the feature >>>>>>>>> altogether and block *all* ads if you so choose. You could also >>>>>>>>> create your own whitelist if there are some web pages for which to >>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>> enable ads. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are lots of reasons to block ads. Besides easing stress on >>>>>>>>> your network, you ease stress on your computer by not having to show >>>>>>>>> unnecessary image or flash ads. This improves battery life and overall >>>>>>>>> longevity in the long run. There are also privacy issues, where many >>>>>>>>> ad >>>>>>>>> firms track individual computers and their owners' habits. Last but >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> least, ads are harmful to the Internet neutrality. Imagine a web site. >>>>>>>>> Let's say it's an independent digital newspaper. It is financed by >>>>>>>>> ads via >>>>>>>>> a well-renowned firm, and without this income it could not exist. One >>>>>>>>> day, >>>>>>>>> this newspaper uncovers something huge, perhaps some huge scandal in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> financial world with many large companies involved. The newspaper, >>>>>>>>> intent >>>>>>>>> on bringing truth to the people, publish a story on it, with promises >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> disclose more in time. What happens now? If one of the major companies >>>>>>>>> involved in the scandal doesn't already own the ad firm financing the >>>>>>>>> newspaper, they will aspire to do so in the very close future. They >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> then proceed to threaten to cut off the ad revenues to the newspaper >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> they do not cease the disclosure. Incidents such as this has happened >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> occasion in Europe and in America, so it is not that unlikely to >>>>>>>>> happen. >>>>>>>>> Revenues via ads is dangerous, because it is the advertisers who >>>>>>>>> ultimately >>>>>>>>> decide what you may write on your page. Blocking ads en masse is a >>>>>>>>> way of >>>>>>>>> making ads unreliable as a primary income for a web site, thus making >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> less common for web sites to do so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Internet is relatively new in some parts of the world. These parts >>>>>>>>> have yet to experience the full benefit Internet could bring, and >>>>>>>>> also some >>>>>>>>> of the pitfalls. I would like to help people evade these pitfalls. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mugarura Cavin < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, and in the very same article, am not sure you read this >>>>>>>>>> section, either way, i dont see any need to use an ad block >>>>>>>>>> service/software/tool, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Will all "acceptable" ads be unblocked? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No. Unfortunately, it isn't technically possible to recognize >>>>>>>>>> "acceptable" ads automatically. We have >>>>>>>>>> agreements<https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads-agreements>with >>>>>>>>>> some websites and advertisers that only advertising matching our >>>>>>>>>> criteria >>>>>>>>>> will be used, their ads will be unblocked then. We hope to grow our >>>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>>> significantly over time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Hari Kurup <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 23 December 2011 17:34, Mugarura Cavin >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It would be my friend if it had grey matter, am not sure it >>>>>>>>>>>> does, >>>>>>>>>>>> for example, if it would block spam ads, not simply any ads, >>>>>>>>>>>> ads are useful (1%), why should i block ads, and miss out on a >>>>>>>>>>>> deal, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> you want to read this >>>>>>>>>>> https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Hari >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Mailing list archives: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >>>>>>>>>>> (including attachments if any). 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