Do you understand what I was trying to say now? I think you are trying to square a circle, so i rest my case
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:18 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > That page is referring to maps and routing in GPS systems, which I have > already said *is* provided by different providers just as you described. GPS > in itself, however, is a free service with only one provider. The dry > positioning system, that is, the time stamped beacon signal system. Do you > understand what I was trying to say now? > > Mugarura Cavin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> http://www.guide2gps.com/gps-providers/ >> >> again this is a side show, >> The thrust of my thread wasnt about GPS providers >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Cavin Mugarura <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > They are GPS providers period >> > Maybe u can define a GPS provider >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Benjamin Tayehanpour <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Ah, yes, I missed that. Sorry. >> > >> > However, the companies you listed are GPS *vendors*, not providers. They >> > produce the GPS terminals, sure, but they do not provide the GPS service >> > itself, which is to say, the satellites and their maintenance. >> > >> > It may sound like I'm splitting hairs, but my point is you only pay once >> > for the GPS product, to >> the >> vendor. You do not then pay some provider a monthly subscription fee as if >> it were a cell phone or similar. There are map providers, where you pay >> regularly for updated maps, but there are no "GPS providers". >> > >> > I'm sure it was just an ill-chosen word on your behalf. Just wanted to >> > make everything clear. Just as D-Link is not an internet service provider, >> > Belkin is not a GPS provider. >> > >> > Den 20 feb 2012 00:19 skrev "Mugarura Cavin" <[email protected]>: >> >> >> >> their technology interferes with GPS signals, >> >> ______________ >> >> >> >> If you read my first thread, this line was part of it >> >> >> >> and yes, they are GPS providers, Garmin, Cobra, Belkin,et al >> >> >> >> The Light squared technology interferes with the GPS systems, Again, >> >> as stated earlier, telkom is not my cup of coffee >> >> am more comfortable talking about Golf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 6:12 PM, [email protected] >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > There are no GPS "providers". Well, okay, technically there is *one* >> >> > provider, but not in the same way cell phones work, for example. A >> >> > GPS >> >> > device does not transmit; it merely receives timestamped beacon >> >> > signals from >> >> > several satellites with known positions and calculates its position >> >> > on the >> >> > surface based on the discrepancies in the time stamps (speed of radio >> >> > waves >> >> > times amount of time passed since emission equals the distance to the >> >> > emitting source). The only GPS transmitters around are those in the >> >> > satellites. >> >> > >> >> > If the GPS system is interfering with LightSquared, changing a lot of >> >> >> > satellites will be expensive. I am, however, inclined to think that >> >> > it is >> >> > the other way around, that the LightSquared system is interfering >> >> > with GPS >> >> > devices. >> >> > >> >> > Just a random thought in the night. >> >> > >> >> > Mugarura Cavin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The FCC can tell the GPS providers to produce smart devices, that >> >> >> wont >> >> >> interfere, but who meets the cost for this upgrade, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM, McTim <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > On 2/19/12, [email protected] >> >> >> > <[email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> If they are on adjacent frequencies, how could they be >> >> >> >> interfering with >> >> >> >> each>> >> >> other? Given that one keeps it civil with a small >> >> >> >> bandwidth, the two >> >> >> >> frequencies shouldn't overlap. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > FCC was sold a load of FUD >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you have any links for further reading? I'm curious. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Lauren weinstein has posted extensively on this issue on the Net >> >> >> > neutrality list, here are some links: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > FCC revokes LightSquared's approval for broadband system that >> >> >> > >> >> >> interferes with GPS >> >> >> > http://j.mp/wYXv53 (New York Times) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > LightSquared to FCC: "Screw GPS -- It's >> OUR >> Spectrum!" >> >> >> > http://j.mp/sbTKyI (ars technica) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > LightSquared claims GPS tests were "rigged" http://j.mp/AqqsyA >> >> >> > (IT >> >> >> > World) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Cheers, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > McTim >> >> >> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. >> >> >> > A >> >> >> > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >> >> > [email protected] >> & >> gt;> >> >> > Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> >> >> > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> >> > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >> >> > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> >> >> > (including >> >> >> > attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for >> >> >> > them in >> >> >> > any way. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> >> >> >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> >> >> >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >> >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> >> >> >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> >> >> (including >> >> >> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not respo >> nsible >> for them in >> >> >> any way. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ________________________________ >> >> >> > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> > >> >> > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> > >> >> > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >> > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> > >> >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted >> them >> (including >> >> > attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for >> >> > them in >> >> > any way. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >> [email protected] >> >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> >> attachm >> ents if >> any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. >> >> > >> > >> > Ah, yes, I missed that. Sorry. >> > >> > However, the companies you listed are GPS *vendors*, not providers. They >> > produce the GPS terminals, sure, but they do not provide the GPS service >> > itself, which is to say, the satellites and their maintenance. >> > >> > It may sound like I'm splitting hairs, but my point is you only pay once >> > for the GPS product, to the vendor. You do not then pay some provider a >> > monthly subscription fee as if it were a cell phone or similar. There >> > are >> > map providers, where you pay regularly for updated maps, but there are >> > no >> > "GPS providers". >> > >> > I'm sure it was just an ill-chosen word on your behalf. Just wanted to >> > make >> > everything clear. Just as D-Link is not an internet service provider, >> > Belkin is not a GPS provider. >> > Den 20 feb 2012 >> 00:19 >> skrev "Mugarura Cavin" <[email protected]>: >> > >> >> their technology interferes with GPS signals, >> >> ______________ >> >> >> >> If you read my first thread, this line was part of it >> >> >> >> and yes, they are GPS providers, Garmin, Cobra, Belkin,et al >> >> >> >> The Light squared technology interferes with the GPS systems, Again, >> >> as stated earlier, telkom is not my cup of coffee >> >> am more comfortable talking about Golf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 6:12 PM, [email protected] >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > There are no GPS "providers". Well, okay, technically there is *one* >> >> > provider, but not in the same way cell phones work, for example. A >> >> > GPS >> >> > device does not transmit; it merely recei >> ves >> timestamped beacon signals >> >> >> from >> >> > several satellites with known positions and calculates its position >> >> > on >> >> the >> >> > surface based on the discrepancies in the time stamps (speed of radio >> >> waves >> >> > times amount of time passed since emission equals the distance to the >> >> > emitting source). The only GPS transmitters around are those in the >> >> > satellites. >> >> > >> >> > If the GPS system is interfering with LightSquared, changing a lot of >> >> > satellites will be expensive. I am, however, inclined to think that >> >> > it is >> >> > the other way around, that the LightSquared system is interfering >> >> > with >> >> GPS >> >> > devices. >> >> > >> >> > Just a random thought in the night. >> >> > >> >> > Mugarura Cavin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> ; >> >> >> >> The FCC can tell the GPS providers to produce smart devices, that >> >> >> wont >> >> >> interfere, but who meets the cost for this upgrade, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM, McTim <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > On 2/19/12, [email protected] >> >> >> > <[email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> If they are on adjacent frequencies, how could they be >> >> >> >> interfering >> >> with >> >> >> >> each >> >> >> >> other? Given that one keeps it civil with a small bandwidth, the >> >> >> >> two >> >> >> >> frequencies shouldn't overlap. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > FCC was sold a load of FUD >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you have any link >> s for >> further reading? I'm curious. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Lauren weinstein has posted extensively on this issue on the Net >> >> >> > neutrality list, here are some links: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > FCC revokes LightSquared's approval for broadband system that >> >> >> > >> >> >> interferes with GPS >> >> >> > http://j.mp/wYXv53 (New York Times) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > LightSquared to FCC: "Screw GPS -- It's OUR Spectrum!" >> >> >> > http://j.mp/sbTKyI (ars technica) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > LightSquared claims GPS tests were "rigged" http://j.mp/AqqsyA >> >> >> > (IT >> >> >> > World) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> >> ; > >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > McTim >> >> >> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. >> >> >> > A >> >> >> > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >> >> > [email protected] >> >> >> > Mailing list archives: >> >> >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> >> > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> >> > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >> >> > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> >> (including >> >> >> > attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for >> >> them in >> >> >> > any way. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> >> >> >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> >> >> >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >> >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> >> >> >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> >> >> (including >> >> >> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for >> >> >> them >> >> in >> >> >> any way. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ________________________________ >> >> >> > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> &g >> t; >> >> >> > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >> [email protected] >> >> > Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> > >> >> > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >> > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> > >> >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> >> > (including >> >> > attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for >> >> > them in >> >> > any way. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >> [email protected] >> >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> >> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them >> >> in >> >> any way. >> >> >> > >> > >> ________________________________ >> >> > The Uganda Linux >> User >> Group: http://linux.or.ug >> > >> > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> > [email protected] >> > Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> > >> > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> > >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> > attachments if any). 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