>You are still missing the point. The moulds my be >symmetrical, and the
>necks symmetrical, but do the plans and drawings show a >symmetrical
>alignment between both elements?
The only lutes that could possibly be symmetrical, neck and body,
would be early 6 course lutes at the turn of the 16th century, of which none
have survived in original condition, or at least were told. The Gerle looks
very symmetrical neck, and body from pictures, but I don't have the plans
for that one to compare.
Since this thread has revolved around Strad's 11 course lute template,
of the body only, I think Vance, it might be you who are missing the point.
I have a pretty good collection of lute plans by various people. When
I have some spare time I'll draw up some body shapes and compare the mirror
images on a number of them, at least there will be less speculation, and
more facts. I can then post my findings.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lute list"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect
> You are still missing the point. The moulds my be symmetrical, and the
> necks symmetrical, but do the plans and drawings show a symmetrical
> alignment between both elements?
>
> Vance Wood.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "lute list" <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Vance
> Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect
>
>
> > >Vance said
> > > The point here is that the
> > >use of asymmetry was to create the illusion of symmetry.
> >
> > Why would anyone want the illusion of symmetry, when one can have
the
> > real thing? Stradivari obviously thought very highly of symmetry, since
> all
> > of his moulds are symmetrical.
> >
> > Michael Thames
> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "lute list" <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect
> >
> >
> > > After reading Mr. Lundbergs book several times I have come to the
> > conclusion
> > > that he must be correct. He claims to have examined actual
instruments
> > that
> > > all show the same asymmetry, the neck cocked toward the base side of
the
> > > Lute. He goes on to explain that the body does indeed have a center
> line,
> > > and the neck does indeed have a center line, but the juxtaposition of
> both
> > > elements does not extend the two center lines so that they become one
> > common
> > > center line. Can anyone site an historical instrument where a common
> > center
> > > line is obvious?
> > >
> > > I realize the argument can be made that the instruments have become
> warped
> > > and twisted over time but knowing wood as I do, if that were so, there
> > would
> > > be evidence in a dramatic distortion of both the treble and base sides
> of
> > > the bowel. The base side would show evidence of compression causing
an
> > > obvious kink near the joint of the neck and bowel. The treble side
> would
> > > show evidence of separation at the same point understanding that wood
> this
> > > old cannot be stretched, it only cracks and separates.
> > >
> > > Vance Wood.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:15 PM
> > > Subject: RE: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ron Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Michael,
> > > > >
> > > > > Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the
> > > > > Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper
> > > > > template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line.
> > > >
> > > > Is it clear how this template was used?
> > > >
> > > > I can see many possibiltys, including the possiblity of other
> templates
> > > > now missing.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps this was part of a study, and represents another makers
work;
> > > > are there any strad-made lutes surviving to compare this template
to?
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, i suppose lots of this has been discussed already, I have
been
> > > > skipping lots of email the past few weeks, too much apparant
flaming,
> > > > not enough time to indulge in reading, let alone responding.
> > > > --
> > > > dana emery
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > > >
> > >
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